You still like McCain? After this torture bill theater? I know the media luuv the guy, but you, too? I'd love to know your reasoning.
Thanks -

Barf. McCain is slezzy x's 10. He is master of taking a high ground position for show and then working to kill it. He calls it "compromise". I call it a worn out trick.

It's always about "them"..what they can "say" to most benefit their own election, position, career or party. Them, them, them.
They all need to be put in Gitmo where every time they stick out their forked tongues they get a cattle prod shock.

Can you give us a line in the sand: name a view McCain had four years ago which you agree with, and if he repudiates it you will admit he's a louse.

And I bet you that he repudiates it before the GOP convention (if he hasn't already).

Thanks for the notes above folks. I promise you that I will write a major piece about John McCain soon that highlights what I like and dislike. I think he has flaws. We all do. But he's impressive to me on many fronts.

More later -- I can't do this now, but I promise you that I will write the kind of piece that you are asking for. I will also tell you where the lines are delineating the limits of my support.

All the best,

Steve Clemons
The Washington Note

For the record, whoever is coming to dinner, this week, McCain signed off on some of the most evil principles ever supported openly by the United States government since slavery.

Just like Bob Dylan's song, McCain wants it so bad. He wants to be president, so he will compromise, compromise until hell freezes over.
HABEAS CORPUS, remember, HABEAS CORPUS?
That quaint idea from times gone by.
This is not the "Do Nothing" congress, it is the SHAMELESS congress of a now shameless country.
I had an ancestor who crossed the Delaware with Washington, who wintered at Valley Forge and now we face another winter--the long winter of decandence

David H Lewis
Subject David Hicks
Visit Time 25/09/2006 12:00 AM
Remark Dear Mr President

I write to seek your interest in the case of David Hicks
Who's been at Hotel Gitmo, five years or is it six?
Altho' he much appreciates your hospitality (NOT!)
Enough's enough, the time has come for David to be free.
"Honor bound" to fight for freedom is Gitmo's noble creed
So we're hoping you'll live out this creed and David will be freed.

Why David's there at all is not an edifying tale -
Your soldiers paid a grand for him (!) and slung him into jail.
So apart from minor scruples about BUYING fellow men
It's clear that Hotel Gitmo hasn't won you any friends,
For it betrays the founding principles your nation holds so dear
And it's sad to see ideals being trashed in panic, shock and fear.

Thank God your nation's judges took a more enlightened view
Declaring it illegal and that you should start anew
But instead of finding other ways to persecute these men
You have the chance to start afresh and really make amends
To show some generosity, admit mistakes occurred,
Set David and the others free - to keep them now's absurd.

In any case they're all just far more trouble than they're worth
Cos' Gitmo's now regarded as the meanest place on earth,
And after all this time there's no way justice can be served:
From trying to work outside the law you got what you deserved -
A Godalmighty legal mess that stains your country's name
And shows the world that YOU'RE the biggest threat to freedom's flame!

So seize this chance to close it down and set your prisoners free
Stand by your country's claim to be the land of liberty
To hold these men for yet more time will only make things worse
And show the world AMERICA is really freedom's curse
The USA v Mr Hicks is like David and Goliath
And we all remember how that went and who laid down and dieth!

David H Lewis.

habeas schmabeas. where are the h'ors d'ouvres?

Steve, did you see McCain on the Schieffer show yesterday??The answer that McCain gave regarding Fallwell's remark about Hillary Clinton, was so sickeningly forgiving of Fallwell's "devilish" comments, that reinforcement of McCain's " ambition trumps honor" behaviour, was revealed once again.

His "nothing" stance on Bush's signing statement on the first "torture" bill he so zealously championed, was a low point for him. His future stance on the second torture bill's signing statement by Bush, will be the final revelatory straw. Bush's signing statement or no, on this second proposed definition of torture embedded bill, his name along with Warner and Graham, will forever be enshrined as contributing architects of the depth of dishonor our country has sunk to regarding adherence to the Geneva accords.

This is the price for McCain's "compromise" with the White House. Politics, the art of climbing in bed with the leperous hooker and still keeping one's self clean enough to go home to the wife and kids. Sad Sen. Sell-out, sad!

The most responsible man in the world right now is an Iranian engineer named Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. That makes him the most powerful man in the world. He is the role model, the man we need to emulate. Not only is he the president of Iran, but he has been accused for years of being one of the revolutionaries who took the 52 American embassy personnel hostage and held them for 444 days. That makes him a man of action, not just a great theoretician, as he proved in his appearance at the United Nations. But what has just placed Mr. Ahmadinejad in the Hall of Fame was his courageous descent into the belly of the beast. He was, for some demented reason, invited to address the Council on Foreign Relations after his tour d'force at the United Nations. He didn't do this at their actual headquarters at 58 E. 68th Street, but at the Intercontinental Hotel on 48th Street. They probably didn't want him to see their actual headquarters. Might give him ideas.

This, to me, was the most profound moment in modern history. The one important man in the world who understands exactly what the Council on Foreign Relations is and how it has destroyed our world was invited to speak and defend his past statements - to them.

He defended nothing but rather went on the attack. He continued to belittle the Jewish fairy tale of the Six Million and asked again why the Palestinians should pay the price for something that has never been established? He asked them if the Council on Foreign Relations had one voice of support for the Palestinians? Silence was their answer. The man knew that Israel is the CFR's little monster. He was playing with them.

Brent Scowcroft, GHW Bush's consiglieri, was left shaking his head. "He's a master of counterpunch, deception and circumlocution." Translation: We couldn't handle him.

whether or not steve loves that bush hugger, he'll will never get my vote.

after meeting with the CFR, Ahmafinejad said "you told me you were an independent group, but every question you asked me was from the point of view of the government." other than the source, i saw no reason to question this statement.

I've always wondered how anyone could respect John "Keating Five" McCain.

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