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Report on Today's Crackdown

Share / Recommend - Comment - Print - Saturday, Jun 20 2009, 5:27PM

Here is one of the best summations I have read of today's events in Iran.

A couple of key things are that the government is trying to isolate Mousavi and his ability to communicate. The government is arresting key Mousavi supporters in mass. And the government is taping forced confessions of people who are stating that they were taking instructions from the UK, Israel, and other countries.

More later.

-- Steve Clemons

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Posted by Outraged American, Jun 20 2009, 6:02PM - Link

Is Iran's "Twitter" revolution a fraud? Here's a very interesting
analysis, with verifiable statistics, that would say, "Yes."

America’s Iranian Twitter Revolution
June 17, 2009

(Excerpt)
...How representative are Iran’s Twitter revolutionaries? In actual
fact, the only allegedly Iranian Twitter users who have been
identified by other Twitter users as tweeting about the Iranian
protests, are fewer than 45 (see one list here), most of whose
locations cannot be confirmed and almost all of whom post only
in English. Yet, one can get as many as 2,500 updates in a single
minute, on one stream alone (#iranelection), and most of that
repetitive and uninformative material is not being posted by
anyone except for a huge mass of American Twitter users. In
total, only a third of Iranians even have Internet access (we saw
in the Canadian case that Internet access does not translate into
Twitter use) and, very interestingly, the youth who are most
associated with the protests and with Twitter use, consist of 18-
to-24-year-olds who in fact comprise “the strongest voting
bloc for Ahmadinejad of all age groups” (poll).

The Associated Press has produced a similar analysis, noting
that in Iran, “Internet usage is mostly still a phenomenon of the
affluent, the youth and city-dwellers — meaning Twitter and
other networks are used mostly by the young and liberal — and
may overemphasize their numbers while ignoring more-
conservative political sentiments among the non-connected.”
Those interviewed by AP say that the Twitter hype is creating an
illusion that Tehran is witnessing another revolution, or that
Twitter even matters for Iranians. (See “Tweeting Iran: Elex news
in 140 characters or less,” by Rebecca Santana, Associated
Press, 15 June 2009.)

So in this Twitter revolution, Twitter is not representative of
Internet users, Internet use is not representative of a wider
population, the youth are not representative of the youth, and
the Iranians may not even be Iranian. Fantastic indeed, this
power of “social media”.

Personally, I have seen very little in the way of actual events
being reported, and when they are, they are retweeted (repeated)
hundreds of times over for almost an entire day. There is
enormous volume, and little content. Hanson Hosein, director of
digital media at the University of Washington, wrote “I’m having
a hard time filtering through #iranelection, beyond the re-
tweets and second-hand information passed around by
Twitterers outside the country….We can’t take [tweets] at face
value. It can be quite dangerous. We should be doing as much
fact-checking as possible” (source). Michael Crowley also wrote,
“One thing that really bothers me about these twitters and first-
hand accounts posted on blogs is that there’s no way to verify
them; I’ve seen several that either seemed suspect or turned out
to be false” (source). Similarly, another blogger observed that, “If
you, as an average news consumer, relied on Twitter you might
believe all sorts of things had happened, which simply hadn’t,
running a high risk of being seriously misled about events on
the ground. You might at best, have simply been confused. You
probably wouldn’t have thought Ahmadinejad enjoys much
popular support at all” (source)...

http://tinyurl.com/ns4w8b (ENTIRE ARTICLE)

Posted by WigWag, Jun 20 2009, 6:10PM - Link

Yes that's right Outraged American, with phone service cut and internet service spotty the Iranian demonstrators aren't really using Twitter. Their organizing themselves and learning where to go to demonstrate by telepathy.

And those Iranian students putting their lives on the line; you're right about them too, they're just ignorant dupes of the Americans and Israelis.

They're not really demonstrating for freedom, they're getting bloodied and beaten because of their affection for the Israel and the United States.

Thank goodness we have your perceptive analysis to explain what's really going on.

Posted by Franklin, Jun 20 2009, 6:36PM - Link

As far as the goings on in Iran, it's hard to see how protesters can maintain their momentum without a prolonged and widely supported nationwide strike.

The people are unlikely to win a military confrontation, but they can shut down the economy to a near trickle. Reading the tea-leaves though my guess would be that we're likely looking at the #3 scenario touched on in a post yesterday (e.g. state cracks down violently suppresses dissent and drives public anger underground for a time).

As far as U.S. policy goes, this is a tough one.

Posted by Outraged American, Jun 20 2009, 7:45PM - Link

I was trained as a scientist (hard science)-that article was
impressive and its conclusions were based on hard evidence that
the Iranian "Twitter" revolution, or civil war, or whatever, is being
influenced by internet users outside of Iran.

I'll take bets you didn't read the article or even the excerpt, Wig
Wag.

Ever heard of an ISP Wig Wag? I doubt you could fake yours. But
techies, like the author of the article, are sourcing the Tweets to
find that a lot aren't coming from inside Iran.

I also worked as a journalist, a real one not bought by the
corporations: relying on Tweets to get the big picture in Iran is
being one of the blind men describing an elephant. One blind
man touching one part of the elephant, say the tusk, will have a
different "view" of the elephant than the blind man touching the
tail.

According to this site, Internet World Stats, that charts internet
usage worldwide, 34.9% of Iran's population were internet users
in 2008.

http://www.internetworldstats.com/me/ir.htm

That's just a little more than a third. I would venture to guess
that the third predominately live in the cities, and skew young.

Fewer than that total would use Twitter, so the total number of
Iranians using Twitter would most probably end-up being a
fraction of the population, and would be centered in urban
areas.

So even the Tweets actually coming from Iran would be skewed
towards young, urban users describing one part of the elephant.

The veracity of the Tweets in any case cannot be verified without
video corroboration.

There are so many posters on here who lack all critical thinking
skills. You can throw facts and statistics at them till your typing
fingers are worn down to the bone and it won't make one bit of
difference. I fear for the world when supposedly erudite people
lack, or don't want, analytical skills.

Posted by ..., Jun 20 2009, 8:16PM - Link

i'll go with OA's informed comments with link over wigwags poor attempt at humour any day of the week.... wigwag usually you are more constructive and dry, but here you seem to be flipping out, which i have to admit is unusual!

Posted by WigWag, Jun 20 2009, 8:18PM - Link

"I was trained as a scientist (hard science)"

"I also worked as a journalist, a real one not bought by the corporations"

Yes, outraged American, and I worked as an astronaut, a CIA Agent and I played for the New York Yankees.

"There are so many posters on here who lack all critical thinking skills"

Right you are, Outraged American.

Posted by Outraged American, Jun 20 2009, 9:47PM - Link

We can all invent ourselves on the internet, so let my posts
speak for themselves. I give you facts, you ignore them. Proof
means nothing to the twinkies on this site.

And by the way, I think there's a revolution being planned in my
neighborhood. I overheard a bunch of neighbors whispering
about some kind of gathering tomorrow. Code word "Father's
Day"

Some of my neighbors have guns. Some of them are radical
Christians. Some of them are radical Christians with guns. Most
of them hate people who voted for Obama ( my neighbor told
me Obama's a secret Muslim -- he read it on Twitter) and want
a recount.

Damn, the TV just went on the fritz. No batteries in the radio.
Thunderstorms rolling in so internet will be cut.

How will I know if this "Father's Day" revolution is just on my
block or if it's all over the city? All over the state? All over the
country? World?

I won't even be able to ask Wig Wag what's happening!

But I'll just follow Wig Wag and his or her fellow travelers, you
know the brilliant analysts who back-up every claim they make,
and claim that what I see during the "Father's Day" revolution is
what everyone else in the country is seeing on their street too.

Because after-all I'm a pretend journalist, just like all the
Tweeters, even the ones who are are actually Iranian, twittering
about Iran.

That video of the pretty Iranian girl dying is all over the place. I
weep for her, but how come I have never once seen video of an
Iraqi girl dying as the result of a U.S. bomb on mainstream U.S.
TV?

We rained white phosphorus down on Fallujah -- no film at 11.
The Israelis slammed missiles into schools not six months ago,
but did we see ONE Palestinian casualty on U.S. TV?

What gives with this sudden concern for the pretty young girls
of Iran? After-all they're citizens of Iran, a member of The Axis
of Evil. The country that both parties have been trying for years
to bomb, sanction and blockade. Suddenly, now, THE
MAINSTREAM MEDIA AND THE U.S. GOVERNMENT CARES ABOUT
POSSIBLE IRANIAN DEATHS!?!

Oh, but we won't waste our time shooting Iranians to liberate
them, at least not at first. Our liberation/ death to Iranians,
same as Pakistanis, will come from the sky, because we are the
home of the brave and it's really dangerous to drop a bomb on
Iran from Nevada.

Posted by Zathras, Jun 20 2009, 11:18PM - Link

Ah, well, yes (he said, trying not to make any sudden movements), but all these YouTube videos and Twitter posts are showing up on Western broadcast media because the Iranian government is not letting Western reporters cover demonstrations in the conventional way.

Iran is not Burma, where Internet access is negligible and the government could do what it liked without anything getting out to the international media. The Iranian government has used the tools available to it to do what the Burmese government did last year, and found them not quite adequate to the task. Claims of unfairness from that government or its partisans of the moment here do not inspire sympathy.

Posted by Bill R., Jun 21 2009, 12:18AM - Link

Steve,
It looks like there are some cracks in the system beginning to show. The Speaker of the Parliament, Larijani acknowledges the election is viewed as fraudulent:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/13/iran-demonstrations-viole_n_215189.html

11:49 PM ET -- Parliament Speaker: Majority of Iranians think election was fraudulent. And printed in state-run media no less!

Iran's Parliament (Majlis) Speaker Ali Larijani suggests that some of the members in the Guardian Council have sided with a certain candidate in the June 12 presidential election.


Speaking live on the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) Channel 2 on Saturday, the speaker said that "a majority of people are of the opinion that the actual election results are different than what was officially announced."

Posted by Nell, Jun 21 2009, 10:37AM - Link

I don't have words strong enough to express my disgust at your tweet blithely cheerleading 'Basij hunting'. Steve, you are not just any schmo on the internet.

First, this kind of response by the people hands the regime and its supporters the excuse they need to bring down the fullest repression (which they're clearly committed to doing anyway, but this muddies the waters, makes it harder for people looking on to see the repression being wholly unjustified). Second, you would not for one minute take a similar attitude toward the same actions in any other popular struggle in the world. Third, cheering on violence from a safe spot here the height of immature, thoughtless behavior -- something I'd expect from a 13-year-old.

Posted by Steve Clemons, Jun 21 2009, 12:34PM - Link

Nell -- sorry you are put off. I think that Basij hunting and the account of it that came from an Iranian with first hand account is important to know about and represented a potential change in the narrative of what could happen. I respect your disagreement with that - -though don't share your level of dismissiveness. all best, steve

Posted by Nell, Jun 21 2009, 3:13PM - Link

"Basij hunting and the account of it that came from an Iranian with first hand account is important to know about and represented a potential change in the narrative of what could happen."

'important to know about': I said nothing disagreeing with that.

'representing a potential change in the narrative of what could happen': No kidding. That's exactly why it should have been left to stand alone as a report (with appropriate caveats about sourcing and authenticity).

I have profound disagreements with such tactics, but do not and have not dismissed them or the people engaged in them (_if_ the report is accurate).

My dismissiveness is entirely directed toward the recklessness, fecklessness, and hypocrisy of someone in your position saying publicly he :: hopes that citizens in Tehran learn what they can about "Basiji Hunting" Could be good skill ::

Posted by Steve Clemons, Jun 21 2009, 3:25PM - Link

Nell...thanks for your concerns which you have been able to express. In this case, I stand by what I wrote. I think it's important that those in Iran who are being terrorized in horrific ways understand what is going on in other communities -- and yes, I still feel that Basiji Hunting may be a good skill to have under these circumstances...

all best, steve

Posted by Nell, Jun 21 2009, 5:07PM - Link

I'm imagining your response to a Jordanian foundation director posting on his personal website in October 2003 (as tens of thousands of Iraqis were having their homes invaded by U.S. military; men hooded, beaten, dragged away to U.S. military prisons for more abuse including being sodomized and tortured; children and wives kidnapped in order to force the capture of relatives sought by the occupying forces):

"Hope that citizens of Anbar province learn what they can about improvised explosive devices. Could be good skill."

Posted by Steve Clemons, Jun 21 2009, 10:08PM - Link

Nell, the way you frame things -- If I were to reject my position, I'd
be endorsing the rape and pillaging of innocent Iraqis by
Occupiers. I'm already on record on this -- regarding the torture,
abuses, extraordinary rendition...not sure what you hope I might
say. I'd never endorse Americans or any other forces doing what
you suggest and what you'd hope I'd sign off on. Frankly, your
statement above is bizarre. Yes, unequivocably, I advocate
resistance when one's lives and one's family are at risk from
arbitrary abuse - no matter where the source. I'm done with this
subject. You and I are on totally different pages, and I really reject
the norms you think are appropriate. best, steve clemons

Posted by Nell, Jun 22 2009, 10:13AM - Link

Steve, I appreciate your ability to see the parallels between the scenarios. But it's simply not the case that a person who fails to cheerlead the tactics of the Iraqi resistance thereby endorses the abuses the resistance is a response to. Acknowledging a right to resistance is very different from being an enthusiast. Excluded middle, and all that.

You accept and endorse violent resistance. So noted.

In practice, in the summer and fall of 2003, if you had posted a 'good skill' message about IEDs, you'd have been disowned and frozen out by the elite foreign policy types you rub shoulders with. That you can't see the inappropriateness of an outsider with a platform egging on violence at a moment when the resistance in Iran has built itself on peaceful mass expression, and is turning to strikes, speaks volumes.

Posted by arthurdecco, Jun 23 2009, 9:49AM - Link

Outraged American: The eloquence and intelligence you've brought to the comments section of this particular thread, supported by your honest curiosity, insight and clarity are a breath of fresh air.

Besides, the rhetorical shit-kicking you delivered to that quintessential wind bag, vile propagandist and unapologetic Zionist fifth columnist Wig Wag, who I have unreservedly loathed for his/her perpetually vile dishonesty since forever, brought tears to my eyes. Tears of laughter, that is...

LMAO!

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