Khaled Mashal Confirms Will Send Delegation to Cairo

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AMMAN, JORDAN — On Saturday, 17 October, I interviewed Hamas leader Khaled Mashal on a range of subjects at his offices in Damascus, Syria.
The full interview is currently being edited and will be released first at a new blog, The Palestine Note and will then appear here at TWN.
But during the meeting I asked Mashal to reconfirm news that I distributed on Friday — namely that despite the start-and-stop, blurred comments coming out about whether Hamas and Fatah would meet in Cairo for reconciliation negotiations — Hamas was going to send a delegation.
Full stop, Mashal confirms this in the seven second video above.
– Steve Clemons

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60 comments on “Khaled Mashal Confirms Will Send Delegation to Cairo

  1. Mr.Murder says:

    Strengthen the legitimate standing of party representation in these emerging states. Without their maturity we will constantly have failed state status teetering over the most crucial security region on the planet.

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  2. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Yaaaaaawn.
    Burp.

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  3. questions says:

    A liar or a fool. But which one? It’s of the utmost importance to find out! You really do have something there POA!

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  4. Kathleen Grasso Andersen says:

    POA…thanxoxoxo …I think you’ve got something there..

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  5. ... says:

    putting the country israel above god and the views of judaism are at the root of the dilemma facing many jewish people today, especially those in the usa who feel they must support israel no matter what israel does to it’s neighbours.. zionism has worked hard to drive those of the jewish faith away from a love of god to a love of country… it’s an aberration that can’t last… those interested in putting god before country will see the need to rise above nationalism, or tribalism to something more spiritual… in the meantime, this ongoing conflict of many american jewish people continues….

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  6. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Like I said, only a liar or a fool.

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  7. questions says:

    1000 words.
    Call me what you like. OA, why not make it your life’s work to make a list of all the Jewish people on the planet and cross reference it with all the stuff they control? And with all their viewpoints and beliefs as long as you’re at it. It would cap off a lovely career of theoretical math and interviews. Seriously. You’d have fun.

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  8. Outraged American says:

    I worked in “entertainment” or news since I was 21. I’m 46. Do I
    know more than you about the media?
    Nah.
    “I know Nuh-think.” As Sergeant Shultz used to say on Hogan’s
    Heroes. Sheer coincidence how after 1967 Hollywood’s uber-
    villains/ comedic foils went from being Japs and Germans to
    Arabs.
    Questions, you’re a reader, may I call you that, “a reader”?
    So read up on the history of Hollywood and how the Jewish
    movie moguls, especially the Warners, effectively propagandized
    the dumb shmucks in their audiences into psychologically being
    locked, loaded and ready for bear before Pearl Harbor.
    Here’s a piece on it — I dare you and anyone else who
    QUESTIONS my take on Hollywood to read it. I think it’s from
    Norman Lear (and guess what religion he’s from?) outfit.
    http://www.learcenter.org/pdf/WWBraudy.pdf
    Arabs have been demonized by Hollywood since European Jews
    started immigrating to Palestine, but it really ramped-up after
    1967. Watch the documentary “REEL BAD ARABS”
    Now, to go back to the STATISTICS of this whole thing about
    Jews controlling the media: there are these things called
    “numbers” and one can count them.
    For instance, I have 12 Halloween cupcakes sitting in front of me
    that I bought for the kids, but I’m going to eat 11 and pretend I
    only bought one ( BTW: 12-11=1 ) for the kids to split. It’s OK,
    they’re little porkers anyway. But they can count to one.
    In fact, they can count to 12 and will probably QUESTION me as
    to why the cupcake container they will dig through and find in
    the recycling bin had 12 holes but they had to split ONE
    cupcake. Damn these schools for teaching kids basic
    arithmetic. Fortunately it doesn’t happen often.
    The number of Jews in power in both Hollywood and news is
    countable. The power, in terms of the effect of the anti-Muslim
    nonsense the pro-Zionist Jews in media spew on a gullible and
    vastly under-educated American populace, is laughable to
    dispute.
    And it’s not disputed in Hollywood. It’s a “Fact of Life” and so
    accepted that there’s no QUESTIONS about it.
    But of course, you know more about the media than someone
    who’s lived it. Next thing we know Wig will be lecturing the
    Leveretts about Iran. Oh wait…

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  9. ... says:

    questions, thanks for the ‘you’ statements…
    whitewash usually refers to a cover up…
    that is what i find in much of your commentary…
    fact is, i am entitled to a view on your commentary, as you are on mine…
    lopsided power dynamics is very real… the way i read your commentary seems to suggest everything is equal and no one has any undue position of power or control over anything, in particular the mainstream media.. i couldn’t disagree more…
    say what you want.. nothing that i have read from you convinces me of anything different…
    and last but not least, i posted the issue on israel human rights abuse separate from anything you have said… you appear to think it was directed at you with your statement “I have never denied human rights abuses in Israel.” to which i would add, i never said that you did…
    now, i am mentally preparing myself for an imaginary 1000 word rebuttal, lol…

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  10. questions says:

    OA,
    Ick.
    Tell me what it means to be “Jewish” since you’re such a fucking expert on counting up names…. My off hand guess is that these people have no other shared quality save the ethnoreligionationalitonam-o of their moms-o. Of course.
    Didn’t Nixon do this too?
    And those Hollywood Creative Directory people are certainly behind any attack on Iran. Fer sure.
    BTW, call me what ever the fuck you want.

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  11. Outraged American says:

    Questions, now that you’re dipping your toenail into math,
    statistically Jews do run the media.
    I challenge you:
    * 1st to find a free Hollywood Creative Directory (they’re a little
    pricey, but maybe you could offer one of your organs in
    exchange)
    * 2nd to open it. Getting the wrapper off can be tricky,
    especially for policy makers.
    * 3rd to read the names of the people in charge of film and TV
    production companies.
    * 4th to take a wild guess as to what religion the majority
    belong to.
    Or is it ethnicity? I can never get that one straight because the
    Zionists can’t seem to make up their minds about whether
    Judaism is a religion or a race. Which I guess is convenient
    when they bomb Palestinians who share the same genotypes as
    Jews who have never left the area and/ or AREN’T CONVERTS.
    Granted, names like “Horowitz”, “Roth”, “Ratner” “Katezenberg”
    are very common surnames in Japan, Kenya, and Bangladesh,
    but empirically I have rarely met anyone from those countries
    who knows what “meshugena” meant.
    Yiddish to English “Crazy” — which is what “showbiz” is.
    In any case Questions, girlfriend ( may I call you “girlfriend”? I
    do feel like we’ve reached a certain level of intimacy what with
    me awakening you to the joys and profundity of theoretical math
    and all) — STATISTICALLY — now statistics aren’t theoretical,
    they’re hard, countable facts — Jews do control the US media.
    There’s nothing “anti-Jewish” about stating a fact. The worry on
    the part of us goys, and there are quite a few billion of us, is
    when Zionist Jews use the media as a propaganda tool to say…
    attack Iran.
    The US/ Zionist media is very successful in their efforts to
    demonize Israel’s enemies. Latest poll results about how
    Americans feel about attacking Iran.
    33% of Americans advocate invading Iran using ground forces.
    We have a couple fake skeletons dangling up for Halloween –
    we invade Iran and next year we can all have real skeletons for
    decorations!
    From the Washington Post via Glenn Greenwald at Salon
    “There’s less, though still sizable backing for military
    engagement, with 42 percent of Americans supporting the
    bombing of Iran’s nuclear development sites and 33 percent
    advocating invading the country with U.S. ground forces (54 and
    62 percent, respectively, oppose these actions).”
    http://tinyurl.com/yfcjbka
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-
    numbers/2009/10/post-abc_poll_few_partisan_fis.html

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  12. questions says:

    …,
    You really don’t seem to know what you’re talking about …ever.
    I have never denied human rights abuses in Israel. (I would add that just about everything above can be leveled at the US, and how many Americans think of themselves in these terms….)
    I do not think that Israel is any worse or better than other nations (as the excerpt above seems to indicate) and I don’t think Israel runs the US press anymore than the president or a particular party does.
    I think events happen without conspiracies.
    No whitewash, whatever that was supposed to mean.

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  13. ... says:

    more questions whitewash….
    here’s a bernstein whitewash:
    Op-Ed Contributor
    Rights Watchdog, Lost in the Mideast
    By ROBERT L. BERNSTEIN
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/20/opinion/20bernstein.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper
    commentator named Shmuel on the bernstein article.
    “Bernstein very eloquently and unintentionally explains why it is so important for human rights groups to focus on Israel. Israel is completely misrepresented in the West as a free democracy and respecter of human rights, albeit with a few “warts”. If one of the main purposes of human rights groups is to draw attention to abuses that would otherwise go unnoticed by public opinion and policy-makers, then Israel is where it’s at. Specific documentation of abuses is important, but we all know that the Iranians and the Chinese are serial violators of human rights. How many of us know that Israel is? Israel is structurally racist and discriminatory, a brutal long-time occupier, torturer, illegal user of US arms (cluster bombs, white phosphorous), and consistent abuser of Palestinian rights in so many ways. Yet, the founder of an important human rights group virtually absolves Israel, treating it as a free society (free for whom?!) and using the hackneyed hasbarah excuses that Israel may have a few problems but others deserve more attention, and Israel’s enemies “force” it to kill women and children in “self-defense”. In light of such disinformation, we need more, not less information on Israel’s violations of human rights. Good thing Bernstein’s gone and his successors at HRW are less hypocritical.”

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  14. questions says:

    Only a fool, a liar, or someone who reads about Congress, or someone who thinks that suddenly the lobbby bloc is failing just like that when it was oh so powerful just the other day….
    Fact is, a lot of interests are aligned and that alignment means a whole lot more en masse than any single part of it.
    Without defense sales, there’s be no bloc, without the re-election compulsion there’s be no bloc, without all sorts of parts, there’d be no bloc.
    Israel simply doesn’t drive things. It’s in for the ride. The driver is a conglomeration of institutional forces and individual preferences.
    Another lie brought to you by questions, inc., a division of Hasbara….! Hope no one finds out what I really am! Oops, did I just confess by accident? Oh rats.

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  15. nadine says:

    No, Dan, the majority of the donors to J street may be individual Jews, but where does the majority of the money come from, that is the question.
    A Palestinian billionaire is a contributor, dozens of Arabist State Dept officials now working for Arab countries have also contributed. The National Iranian American Council board, a pro Iranian government PAC, gave J Street at least $10,000. Why does the Iranian government support a “pro Israel” group? Because it isn’t one. If they were actually pro-Israel, Arafat propagandist and Obama advisor Robert Malley wouldn’t be on their advisory committee. J Street have also hired ISM and HRW anti-Israel activists.
    So you have a group that clearly loathes every Israeli government of the last 20 years and the Israelis who voted for them, but swears they are pro-Israel.
    If I started swearing I was pro-Obama, would you believe me? Esp. if I continued to oppose every one of his policies? Purely for his sake, mind you.
    J Street is a fraud. They are the “court Jews” of the Obama administration, the people Obama can point to to claim that American Jews support his policies no matter what he does.

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  16. ... says:

    nadine – yours is an uphill battle hoping ignorance will prevail… i hope someone is paying you for your work…

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  17. Dan Kervick says:

    “They get their funding from Soros and Gulf Arabs.”
    Oh, grow up. J Street gets the vast majority of their funding from individual American Jews.

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  18. nadine says:

    “Michael Oren, the Israeli Ambassador to the U.S., is apparently rejecting the invitation by J Street for their upcoming conference. It should be shocking that the ambassador would reject the invitation to speak to a conference of American Jews coming together in support of Israel”
    Except that J Street is a pretend pro-Israel organization. They get their funding from Soros and Gulf Arabs. They support one anti-Israel position after another, e.g. they defend Iran’s nuclear program and oppose any sanctions on Iran and then add piously, “but we’re pro Israel”. Could have fooled me. They are frauds.
    That said, Ambassador Oren should have gone and told them what frauds they are to their faces.

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  19. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Only a fool or a liar denies the power of the Israeli lobby bloc. I don’t consider questions a fool.
    And don’t mistake my failure to post any more rebuttals to his horseshit as “surrender”. To be honest, I think he’s a disingenuous asshole, or worse, and I am just sick and tired of responding to his crap. Same goes for the bigoted witch Nadine. Someone else is going to have to point out her lies. Or not. Screw ‘em, they’re a waste of my time.
    But I will respond, periodically, to WigWag, as I think it is extremely important to this blog that they know that WigWag is of the opinion that I have a tiny penis, and that I am bigoted against Mexicans.
    Heady stuff.

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  20. PissedOffAmerican says:
  21. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Israeli Ambassador Rejects American Jews, Embraces Hagee, Christian Zionists
    By Rachel Tabachnick
    Fri Oct 16, 2009 at
    Michael Oren, the Israeli Ambassador to the U.S., is apparently rejecting the invitation by J Street for their upcoming conference. It should be shocking that the ambassador would reject the invitation to speak to a conference of American Jews coming together in support of Israel, particularly since he was quite willing to speak to John Hagee’s Christians United for Israel this past July, a few months after being named as ambassador. Oren’s excuse for snubbing J Street is that the organization could “impair Israeli interests.”
    In the strange world of today’s interpretation of pro-Israel politics, those of us who are “liberal Jews” are now considered more of a threat to Israel’s future than the Christian Zionists who have fantasized about the destruction of Judaism for generations. One can assume that Ambassador Oren does not view Hagee’s CUFI as impairing Israel’s interests. The tunnel vision and shortsighted preference for the embrace of millennial zealots over the support of those who have a vested interest in preserving the humanity of Jews and the perpetuation of Judaism, is tragic, and not just for Israel.
    Who is really impairing the interests of Israel?
    Last year, on October 26, 2008, Oren spoke at John Hagee’s Cornerstone Church in San Antonio as part of their Feast of Tabernacles celebration, a Christian Zionist adaptation of the Jewish holiday of Sukkot. Feast of Tabernacle celebrants believe the holiday will usher in the utopian Millennium of Jesus Christ. As Hagee stated in his book Final Dawn Over Jerusalem, “when 6,000 years pass and that Sukkot moment has come, Jesus 1,000 year reign will begin…We’ll trade in the condom culture and politically correct madhouse for paradise. This AIDS-infected, abortion-loving, pornography-addicted, secular-humanist sewer will disappear as Jesus Christ redeems the entire creation.” The Feast of Tabernacles was popularized in the Latter Rain revival of the 1940s and 1950s and became a centerpiece of the movement as described in George Warnock’s 1951 book “Feast of the Tabernacles.” It is now being celebrated by growing numbers of Christian Zionists in nations all over the world including Africa and Asia and has been hosted by charismatic Christian Zionists in Jerusalem for almost thirty years.
    Christian Zionists “impair the interests” of Israel in numerous ways. This is particularly true if one considers the survival of Judaism to be in the best interest of Israel or Jews worldwide. Unfortunately in the chest thumping contests of “pro-Israel” zealotry, the damage done by Christian Zionists gets little attention. Behind the protestations of love for Israel, and the adoption of external trappings of Jewish practice, the core of the Christian Zionist agenda is the termination of Judaism as a religion separate from Christianity. In the thousands of pages of and hundreds of hours of narrative I have watched over the last seven years, the Christian Zionist scripts vary only slightly. There is currently disagreement about the timing, and where the born again believers will be during the Tribulation, but the ending is always the same – the “restoration” and “salvation” of Israel is the trigger which brings about the Christian millennial utopia. This is achieved through the termination of Judaism, one way or another. One way is proselytizing.
    Israeli and American Jewish communities have been told elaborate explanations by leaders like David Brog, the Jewish director of Hagee’s CUFI, and to a lesser extent, Ambassador Oren, as to why these Christian Zionists no longer proselytize. These explanations may sound plausible to those not familiar with Christian Zionist organizations, but the myth that these ministries are not involved in proselytizing can easily be dispelled, unless one limits the definition of proselytizing to handing out pamphlets to the Jewish participants they are trying to entice. This is an outdated stereotype and not how sophisticated modern evangelical proselytizing works.

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  22. ... says:

    special knee for questions :
    Michigan Radio Censorship Controversy Continues
    A Michigan affiliate of National Public Radio (NPR) that refused to run an announcement by a group that provides information on Israel-Palestine, If Americans Knew, has now sent out emails purporting to explain the rationale for its decision.
    http://www.israel-palestinenews.org/2009/10/michigan-radio-censorship-controversy.html

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  23. happy american says:

    I LOVE this interview, and I am loving palestinenote.com … its about time we have a site like this!!

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  24. nadine says:

    Yes, OA, the people who live in the houses that contain Hamas armories and rocket launchers.
    You know, it is not a requirement even for a guerrilla army that they put artillery inside apartment buildings. It’s a war crime to deliberately endanger civilians that way. They could have put their artillery in the fields. Israel took unprecedented steps to attack these installations without killing the human shields:
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Roof knocking (Hebrew: הקש בגג‎[1]) refers to a code name used by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) for its practice of warning inhabitants of a building, suspected by the IDF to contain weapons, before it is bombed.[2][3][4] The goal of this practice is to give the inhabitants time to flee the attack.[5] The term roof knocking or “a knock on the roof” has also been used to describe the IDF practice of firing a non-explosive missile at a roof to get people there to leave.[6][7] As early as 2006 the IDF had the practice of warning the inhabitants of a building that was about to be attacked.[8]
    Roof knocking was used during the 2008–2009 Gaza War. In the six months prior to its use, Israel collected data on Hamas members, which they used to issue warnings.[4] Typically, Israeli intelligence officers and Shin Bet security servicemen contacted residents of a building in which they suspected storage of military assets and told them that they had 10–15 minutes to flee the attack,[7][9][10][11] although sometimes the attack occurred 5 minutes after the warning.[12]
    However, Hamas asked civilians to stand on the roofs of buildings to dissuade Israeli pilots from attacking.[6] Some residents that were warned about an impending bombing climbed up to their roofs.[2] When faced with this situation, IDF commanders have either called off the bombing or launched a newly developed, relatively harmless, non-explosive missile at empty areas of the roof, in order to frighten the people gathered on the roof into leaving the building.[5][6][13] In several instances, the IDF has used a sound bomb to warn civilians before striking homes.[5]
    The Israeli Government reported that the warning systems were not perfect but still highly effective. Aerial video surveillance by IDF forces confirmed many times the departure of civilians from targeted areas prior to an attack, as a direct result of the warnings.[14] When Nizar Rayan, a top Hamas military commander, was warned but didn’t leave his home, he and his family of 15 were killed in the subsequent bombing.[2][4]
    According to the Israeli army, striking homes used as weapons storages, when sufficient warning is given to the residents, falls within the boundaries of international law and is legitimate.[15] According to the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights, the warning of inhabitants by Israeli forces is psychological warfare[8] and after the first week of the offensive, only 37 houses had been destroyed despite hundreds of warning calls.[16]

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  25. Kathleen Grasso Andersen says:

    POA..do you have a link to the J Street/Chuck Schumer astory?
    Arthurrrrr…Carroll where are you guys, pauline?

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  26. Outraged American says:

    For Nadine & Questions “human shields”=people who live in the
    houses UsRael attacks.
    Neither of you, nor any of the other UsRael apologists on here are
    doing Jews or Americans any favors.
    So I will go back to my original proposition: that you purportedly
    “pro-Israel” posters actually work for UsRael’s enemies. They are
    doing a great job of making Israel hated.

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  27. ... says:

    please omit questions ‘blather’…

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  28. nadine says:

    Hi questions,
    Thanks for the injection of sanity. When I say things like “Hamas uses human shields & boasts of doing so. The Taliban also uses human shields, so the problem isn’t confined to Israel” and get no response but “liar, liar, pants on fire!,” I tend to think that they just don’t have a better response.
    Even better, some posters then begin to boast of how they have shown up my “lies” and “intellectual dishonesty”. At this point I can’t even identify which statements were supposed to be the lies, which makes the insults particularly ineffective.

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  29. questions says:

    Please omit the word “knee”.

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  30. ... says:

    i give a knee jerk remark and get a larger one back! thanks…..

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  31. questions says:

    What, …, is “vancouver b.c.’s entire media” — ummm, I read magazines that don’t come out of Vancouver, B.C. I click on websites that don’t come out of Vancouver, B.C. There is news available that is “out there” and not derived from Vancouver B.C. Doesn’t Vancouver have, like, cable tv and shit? Maybe the Canadians are more primitive than I thought. Wow.
    The idea that “Jewish” has any much meaning at all is fucking insane. “Jewish” refers to s vast array of beliefs, practices, political stands, ideas, thoughts, hair color, eye color, voluntary belief, income, social status, skin color, history, education, time spent in Hebrew school, bar or bat mitzvahs or not, assimilation or not, thoughts about Israel/the Bible/the Torah/shabbat/Yom Kippur/Chanukah/the Holocaust and on and on and on. In fact, “Jewish”, like “Christian” is almost devoid of meaning it is such a broad term.
    There are far more “Christians” and “Muslims” in the world than there are Jewish people. No one seems to freak out about “Christian” ownership of anything…. And yet I bet Christians own a lot of stuff….
    So please find some other thing to worry about — the number of drug addicts who play guitar and commit suicide or something. Maybe there’s a stronger relationship there than there is between Judaism and the media.
    After all, what people who own media might really have in common is that they are a)rich, b)conservative c)corporate d)they own shit. And maybe that’s the “missing link”!
    Please remember all that stuff I keep writing about causation and correlation. If you really understand what I’m talking about (social science 101), then you’ll shut up now.

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  32. jonst says:

    Josh,
    You wrote: “More pertinently, what about how Israel
    politicians regard Mr. Carter as anathema?”.
    Well, of course it won’t happen. But it would be sweet if it did. Bibi is going to tell us to defaecate in our hats anyway, along with requesting more money from us. Stick em with Carter just to tick him off.

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  33. ... says:

    70% of vancouver b.c’s entire media is run by canwest global… canwest is run by the asper family and….they’re jewish… their content is decided on the basis of their attachment to israel… say what you want questions, ignoring these truths is not something others are going to do, especially when they see the same story lines presented…

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  34. questions says:

    Newsflash OA,
    That’s actually my position as opposed to those around here who seem to hold that Israel has some stranglehold on the minds and information of the entire nation. That’s the conspiracy shit I oppose.
    And to be honest, one should give people space for the conclusions they reach regardless. Nadine has a particular set of concerns that are not my concerns, but are hers. The constant drone of “liar liar pants on fire” that masquerades as discourse around here is overmuch.
    As I’ve argued before, allow good faith readings to guide responses. Lose the conspiracy/hasbara shit.

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  35. DonS says:

    . . . simple as that.
    Perhaps to be more clear, POA should have said “some” American Jews rethink Israel. Or Horowitz and Weiss for that matter.
    Rebutting the conflation is important whether uttered or implied by a “neocon” or a “Progressive”. As has been noted frequently, the conflation of Jews/Israeli(or Zionist) is central to AIPAC manipulation.
    And even those terms are imprecise and need clarification in context. But the point is that neither Israel, AIPAC, AJC, J Street or some subset can claim to speak for “Jews”, especially in this era when those who claim some religio-cultural- “Jewish” affiliation encompasses views that are light years apart.

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  36. Outraged American says:

    Please: the Israel Lobby controls US foreign policy in the Middle
    East not all Jews’ minds.
    Yet again there is an attempt to conflate the actions of the Israel
    lobby with the thought processes and morals of all Jews.
    Newsflash Questions: some Jews can think for themselves and it
    appears a lot of them are doing exactly that vis a vis Israel and
    their support for her.

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  37. questions says:

    Allow me a moment of cognitive dissonance….
    In the face of the all powerful Israeli LOBBY, a decent sized group of some younger and maybe not all younger Jewish-identified people is abe to come to the conclusion that Israel is fucking up.
    How can it be? How can the LOBBY, that all-powerful, all-controlling opener and closer of websites, payer of hasbarites… lose control of the discourse?
    Hmmm. It makes me wonder.
    POA, you’re just undermining your own position, even if you don’t realize it.

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  38. PissedOffAmerican says:

    American Jews Rethink Israel
    By Adam Horowitz & Philip Weiss
    This article appeared in the November 2, 2009 edition of The Nation.
    October 14, 2009
    This year has seen a dramatic shift in American Jews’ attitudes toward Israel. In January many liberal Jews were shocked by the Gaza war, in which Israel used overwhelming force against a mostly defenseless civilian population unable to flee. Then came the rise to power of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, whose explicitly anti-Arab platform was at odds with an American Jewish electorate that had just voted 4 to 1 for a minority president. Throw in angry Israelis writing about the “rot in the Diaspora,” and it’s little wonder young American Jews feel increasingly indifferent about a country that has been at the center of Jewish identity for four decades.
    Adam Horowitz & Philip Weiss: Israel’s latest strategy for responding to allegations of human rights abuses: kill the messenger.
    American Jews Rethink Israel Israel
    Adam Horowitz & Philip Weiss: The Jewish push for peace is surging through the grassroots, but leaders and policy-makers are still turning a deaf ear.
    Israel vs. Human Rights Israeli/Palestinian Conflict
    Adam Horowitz & Philip Weiss: Israel’s latest strategy for responding to allegations of human rights abuses: kill the messenger.
    AIPAC Alternative? Lobbies/PACs
    Philip Weiss: Can left-leaning Jews coalesce into a lobby to offset the influence of AIPAC?
    These stirrings on the American Jewish street will come to a head in late October in Washington with the first national conference of J Street, the reformation Israel lobby. J Street has been around less than two years, but it is summoning liberal–and some not so liberal–Jews from all over the country to “rock the status quo,” code for AIPAC (the American Israel Public Affairs Committee).
    Sure sounds like a velvet revolution in the Jewish community, huh? Not so fast. The changes in attitudes are taking place at the grassroots; by and large, Jewish leaders are standing fast. And as for policymakers, the opening has been slight. There seems little likelihood the conference will bring us any closer to that holy grail of the reformers: the ability of a US president, not to mention Congress, to put real pressure on Israel.
    First the good news. There’s no question the Gaza conflict has helped break down the traditional Jewish resistance to criticizing Israel. Gaza was “the worst public relations disaster in Israel’s history,” says M.J. Rosenberg, a longtime Washington analyst who reports for Media Matters Action Network. For the first time in a generation, leading American Jews broke with the Jewish state over its conduct. New York Times columnist Roger Cohen said he was “shamed” by Israel’s actions, while Michelle Goldberg wrote in the Guardian that Israel’s killing of hundreds of civilians as reprisal for rocket attacks was “brutal” and probably “futile.”
    Even devoted friends of Israel Leon Wieseltier and Michael Walzer expressed misgivings about the disproportionate use of force, and if Reform Jewish leaders could not bring themselves to criticize the war, the US left was energized by the horror. Medea Benjamin, a co-founder of Code Pink, threw herself into the cause of Gazan freedom after years of ignoring Israel-Palestine, in part out of deference to her family’s feelings. In The Nation Naomi Klein came out for boycott, divestment and sanctions; later, visiting Ramallah, she apologized to the Palestinians for her “cowardice” in not coming to that position earlier.
    These were prominent Jews. But they echoed disturbance and fury among Jews all around the country over Israel’s behavior. Rabbi Brant Rosen of Evanston, Illinois, describes the process poetically. For years he’d had an “equivocating voice” in his head that rationalized Israel’s actions. “During the first and second intifadas and the war in Lebanon, I would say, ‘It’s complicated,’” he says. “Of course, Darfur is complicated, but that doesn’t stop the Jewish community from speaking out. There’s nothing complicated about oppression. When I read the reports on Gaza, I didn’t have the equivocating voice anymore.”
    In the midst of the war, Rosen participated in a panel at a Reconstructionist synagogue in Evanston organized by the liberal group Brit Tzedek v’Shalom and read a piece from a local Palestinian describing her family’s experience in Gaza. “It was a gut-wrenching testimonial. It caused a stir in the congregation. Some people were very angry at me; others were uncomfortable but wanted to engage more deeply,” Rosen says. The rabbi has gone on to initiate an effort called Ta’anit Tzedek, or the Jewish Fast for Gaza. Each month over seventy rabbis across the country along with interfaith leaders and concerned individuals partake in a daylong fast in order “to end the Jewish community’s silence over Israel’s collective punishment in Gaza.”
    Grassroots Jewish organizations have experienced a surge in interest since the Gaza war. The Oakland-based Jewish Voice for Peace has seen its mailing list double, to 90,000, with up to 6,000 signing on each month. Executive director Rebecca Vilkomerson says JVP is finding Jewish support in unlikely places, like Hawaii, Atlanta, South Florida and Cleveland.
    Jewish youth have played a key role. A group of young bloggers, notably Ezra Klein, Matt Yglesias, Spencer Ackerman and Dana Goldstein, have criticized Israel to the point that Marty Peretz of The New Republic felt a need to smear them during the Gaza fighting, saying, “I pity them their hatred of their inheritance.” Rosenberg is overjoyed by the trend. “None of them, none of them, is a birthright type or AIPAC type. You’d think that one or two would have the worldview of an old-fashioned superliberal on domestic stuff, pure AIPAC on Israel. But they are so hostile to that point of view.”
    Dana Goldstein personifies this spirit. A 25-year-old former writer and editor for The American Prospect, she grew up in a Conservative community with close ties to Israel and has made her name doing political journalism. Years ago she vowed never to write about the Middle East; it was a thorny topic, and she felt nothing was to be gained by addressing it. But when Gaza happened, she felt she had to speak out. “The Israeli government is doing little more than devastating an already impoverished society and planting seeds of hatred in a new generation of Palestinians,” she wrote in TAP. Gaza was especially dismaying to her because Barack Obama’s election had felt like a new moment. “The Jewish community helped elect Obama, and Obama had a different way of talking about the Middle East,” she says. Mainstream Jewish organizations’ steadfast support for Israel’s assault seemed very old school to her.
    continues….
    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20091102/horowitz_weiss
    The times, they are a-changin’.

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  39. ... says:

    i guess this means bill clinton has shown himself to be one sided enough to warrant acceptance by the zionist crowd… i was unaware of that until now… it pays to read twn to get an inside track on just what some politicians and ex politicians stand for… i knew clintons wife hillary is in israels back pocket… i guess it makes sense bill is too…

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  40. nadine says:

    “I would be delighted to see the talks pick up right where they left off the last time Clinton was involved at the beginning of the 21st century.”
    At that point there was still a single Palestinian leader, Yassir Arafat, who could have signed a deal if he had wanted to. Clinton came to understand that the deal failed because Arafat did not want to sign a deal. “I’m a failure, and you made me one,” he told Arafat as he left office. Ehud Barak came to understand that the deal failed because any deal that leaves Israel standing is fundamentally unacceptable to the Palestinians.
    Now Hamas is stronger, owning Gaza, and the Palestinians are even less likely to accept any deal that leave Israel standing. Hamas could never accept such a deal without betraying its core ideology (though I suspect Khaled Meshaal did his best to convey a different impression to Steve Clemons during his interview. It should make interesting reading.)
    So Mitchell or Clinton, it doesn’t matter. Either is fine so long as everybody understands the situation. Carter, who by now has added senility to his native arrogance and sanctimony, would be an utter disaster. He might drive Israel into an alliance with Russia. Israel has a lot to offer Russia in terms of intelligence and advanced technology.

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  41. WigWag says:

    “I assume that he perceives Bill Clinton as a threat in the current context. This is understandable.” (Paul Norheim)
    Actually, Paul, I would be delighted to see Bill Clinton appointed as the official “peace negotiator” between Israelis and Palestinians. I think Clinton would do an excellent job. I am highly skeptical that a peace deal can be reached but I actually think that if anyone in the world can succeed it probably is Bill Clinton.
    I would be delighted to see the talks pick up right where they left off the last time Clinton was involved at the beginning of the 21st century.
    I am sure Josh Meah is a nice person, but he obviously can’t take a joke. My comment was not meant to impugn the Peace Prize that Al Gore received. As you know, I think giving the award to Obama was a joke and giving it to Carter was a sick joke.
    My comment was more about the Nobel Committee than it was about the actual Peace Prize winners.
    But as for Bill Clinton; I say bring him on.
    As far as I can see, appointing him couldn’t hurt; it could only help.

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  42. Paul Norheim says:

    By the way, Josh, WigWag happens to be a huge fan of Bill Clinton (he also
    admires his wife), but as a defender of Israel, he doesn`t support the
    efforts by Obama to get the peace process back on the track. He`s constantly
    ridiculed Obama since he initiated these efforts. WigWag supports status
    quo.
    I assume that he perceives Bill Clinton as a threat in the current context.
    This is understandable.

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  43. Paul Norheim says:

    Josh,
    you`re perhaps not familiar with WigWag as a commenter here. He hates Jimmy
    Carter. He regards Carter and Brzezinski as the main culprits behind the current
    mess in Afghanistan and the 9.11. attacks, due to decisions they made in 1979. I`m
    sure he`ll explain this to you any minute. His comment was ironic – and a bit
    cheap, if you ask me.

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  44. Josh Meah says:

    Re: WigWag
    What?
    Do you really believe that an Israeli politician
    can broker a deal with Jimmy Carter given Carter’s
    severe deficit in political capital in Washington?
    More pertinently, what about how Israel
    politicians regard Mr. Carter as anathema? Did you
    completely miss the debacle around Carter’s book
    Peace, Not Apartheid.
    Al Gore? He doesn’t have enough work to do
    leveraging his peace prize as a means to work on
    global warming? How the hell did the acknowledgers
    of global warming end up calling it “climate-
    change” anyway?…different topic…
    President Obama? I mean, I get it, but he doesn’t
    have enough to do between Iran, Russia, and China?
    True, the Israeli/Palestinian crisis is one that
    exudes a helluva lot of pain in the region, but so
    does the global financial recession, America’s
    manufacturing deficit, America’s healthcare
    crisis, etc. Is Israel/Palestine really where
    Obama himself should be pouring political capital?
    And what if his own initiative fails publicly –
    what will he be able to accomplish in those other
    areas mentioned above that also need attention?
    Gorbachev????? I’m gonna ignore that. That can’t
    be serious. Yes Obama, hire the ender of the
    Soviet Union while the U.S. is in diplomatic
    crisis with Medvedev and his still all-powerful PM
    Vladimir Putin. Really??
    I mean, let’s just throw in Henry Kissinger while
    we’re at it. (a joke)
    Clinton makes sense for every reason in the world.
    He knows the issues, has links to powerful people
    in Washington, is still independently powerful and
    authoritative on his own, and is respected on both
    sides. If Obama did that, we might see some
    progress… And if progress didn’t come, Clinton
    will shoulder the burden himself and not Obama.
    That works.

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  45. WigWag says:

    Typo at the Palestinian Note, and typo in my comment.
    The man’s name is Steve Clemons!

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  46. WigWag says:

    I think there’s a typo at the Palestinian Note. I followed the link in this post and found an essay at the Palestinian Note by Steve Clemmons. In the essay he suggested that George Mitchell wasn’t up for the job and that it was time for Obama to pin a medal on him and put him out to pasture.
    That all made sense to me. But then came the part that had to be a mistake. In the essay Steve suggested that Bill Clinton should be Mitchell’s replacement.
    But wait; that can’t be right. Maybe Steve really meant to say Al Gore, because after all, he won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007. Or maybe Steve meant to say Jimmy Carter because he won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002.
    Or maybe what Steve really meant to say is that President Obama doesn’t need an emissary to the Israelis and Palestinians. After all, with that Nobel Peace Prize he won in 2009; he can probably handle the whole thing himself.
    With all these American Nobel laureates floating around why would Steve suggest calling the one recent Democratic President who never won a Nobel Peace Prize?
    It was probably just a misprint. How about the 1990 Peace Prize winner as Obama’s emissary? Maybe Steve meant to suggest Mikhail Gorbachev.
    The good news is that I hear he’s out of work at the moment and looking for something to do.

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  47. Josh Meah says:

    Steve!
    Awesome public service. Thanks for doing that
    interview.
    Take care,
    - Josh

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  48. ... says:

    steve – keep up the great work…
    poa – often i share your perspective and empathize with your frustration.. again i find pauls well thought out comments directed towards you worth considering…

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  49. Paul Norheim says:

    POA,
    your intentions are often impeccable; your case too. However, to me it looks like you
    sometimes don`t realize, on a very basic level, how your approach is perceived by others.
    Sometimes (to be honest: quite often!) you operate like a hijacker.
    Steve, like most people I respect, doesn`t enjoy the feeling of being hijacked – and if
    others had approached you in the same manner, you would immediately have asked them to
    shove it. The more you insist that he should cover this or that (regardless of the
    importance of the issue) and the more you hint to certain motives explaining his “silence”
    on the issue, the less likely it is that he will do what you want him to do.

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  50. PissedOffAmerican says:

    On the contrary, Steve, I did compliment the Palestine Note on one of their first blog posts. You don’t see many sources willing to air the common sense opinion that our financial support of Israel should have conditions.
    But I am not ready to pass judgement on a blog that is just cutting its eye-teeth. I had great hope for J-Street as well, and it has proven to be quite dissapointing.
    And believe or not, I do appreciate your efforts. But in regards to Reid and Hoyer, to be honest, I haven’t seen anyone, any source, take them to task for what they did to Obama and the peace process. I have seen plenty about Obama’s failure to make headway, and NOTHING, really, about Reid and Hoyer’s very relevent activities, and how they took the teeth out of Obama’s stance.
    And I don’t “want” you to write about anything. Its your blog, you devote a lot of time to it, and its not my call to make. But please understand, that if I disagree with something, or think you have ommitted key points in presenting an opinion, then I’m gonna chime in. You have had time, and interest, to write about the settlement issue, yet, when expending the time, ommitted what I feel is one of the FOREMOST reasons Obama failed, namely the open rebellion of his own party, led by Reid and Hoyer. I apologize if I find such an ommission, inexplicable, but truth be told, I do.
    And I sincerely hope, in the near, or even distant future, you will comment on what you think Olberman and Maddow’s motives are for ignoring all things Israel. Is it by choice? A management decision? Its not that I “want you to write about it”, it is that I truly an curious. In your opinion, what does prompt a major news network to ignore indisputably newsworthy stories?

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  51. Steve Clemons says:

    POA — I have a full time job doing other stuff….and I cover the
    stories I want to cover, like the Meshal interview – which was
    very time intensive. I havent written about the Hoyer/Reid stuff
    because I just don’t have a handle on it that is different from
    others. This is not a journal of record here – -where I have to
    weigh in on every debate that you decide I need to weigh in on.
    I jump in when I feel informed and when I have something to
    say. I don’t really care about Hoyer and Reid. Their politics are
    predictable — and I’m trying to work around what they are
    trying to block. But it’s a waste of time for me to become your
    puppet blasting politicians because you dont like where they
    stand on an issue.
    You are a great contributor here — but you have really very little
    idea how hard this blog is to maintain and how busy I am with
    things unrelated….so I do what I can….and you can complain
    once or twice about something…but to go on and on and on and
    on about the same crap does not motivate me to go spend the
    few hours I have away from all this to go blast someone who has
    already been blasted elsewhere.
    The fact that the Palestine Note is running anything on Meshal
    deserves praise — not stand-offishness and skepticism. You
    really should go start a blog and see what it is like. You’ll find
    yourself moved I think to be a little less flamboyant in the barbs
    you throw.
    Anyway, I’m tense as this has been a busy few days in Amman -
    - and I’m rushing out the damned door in 15 minutes to catch a
    3 am flight back to DC.
    And you want me to write about Reid and Hoyer. No. I have
    bigger stuff on my mind.
    best, steve

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  52. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Well, Lurker, do you REALLY think you can responsibly comment on Obama’s failure to make headway while ignoring the actions of Reid and Hoyer? If so, you’re detached from reality. Steve’s avoidance of this key dynamic behind Obama’s falure to make headway hardly suggests an objective approach.
    And I am not taking Steve to task for Maddow and Olberman’s lack of responsible reporting. I know that Steve talks to these two, and apparently Steve attends, or has attended, social gatherings that Maddow attends. And in light of his fairly frequent appearances on both “shows”, (I hesitate to call them “news” programs), I don’t think it improper of me to query him as to what he thinks Maddow and Olberman’s reasoning or motivation is for ignoring all things Israel.
    In actuality, these comments I make about Olberman and Maddow are more for the attention of these two jackasses WigWag and Questions. As both of them have a penchant for invoking the specter of “conspiracy theory” everytime I mention the total and absolute control our government, AND ISRAEL exercises over our derelict and propagandized “Fourth Estate”, the failure of American media to cover the UNHRC stance on the Goldstone Report is a perfect example that serves to pull this premise out of the “conspiracy theory” category. To argue that recent developments concerning the Goldstone Report are not “newsworthy” is an exercise in folly, yet we see NONE of the major domestic news networks, or cable outlets, touching this story. In light of that fact, it is hardly reasonable to argue against the premise that our “Fourth Esatate” has become little more than a political mouthpiece, heavily biased in Israel’s favor. And if it is biased in Israel’s favor, which is obvious to all but the most inattentive viewer, what does that tell us about media ownership and management?
    And the jury is still out on “The Palestinian Note”. It is far too early to tell whether or not this site will prove to be objective and representative of the facts on the ground.
    On a side track, did you follow Schumer’s efforts to distance himself from J-Street? There is another story that is being ignored, both by the media, and by this blog. I realize Steve can’t cover everything, but as he claims Middle Eastern foreign policy as one of his balliwicks, his failure to cover some important developments in Washington is somewhat inexplicable. This is especially true of his failure to note the actions of key political figures working to distance themselves from Obama’s more “moderate” stance on Isr/Pal, to say nothing of those actually seeking to undermine Obama.

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  53. Lurker says:

    Steve, you continually amaze us out here in your fan land. Thanks for everything you to do stimulate our minds and days. How did you get this interview?? I can’t wait to see the rest!
    POA, you have been raging that Steve was not dealing with these issues, and now he is in ways bigger than just about everyone else in the business. You should be giving him some kudos I think, not pounding on him about the decisions other media stars make.
    Thanks Steve!

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  54. Kathleen Grasso Andersen says:

    Well I’ll be damned on many levels… I am going to LOVE reading The Palestine Note…I am soooo loving this, Steve…hugs all around….Full Stop..I knew there was a Clinton in there…for years I begged Anne Wexler to get the DNC to go back to Bill Clinton’s hands-on approach to Middle East Peace through direct talks…so now who is going to prevail upon Obummer to put his veto in the Security Council in his pocketm? Rahm, the dual citizen?

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  55. DonS says:

    The Al Jezeera piece, by Steve, that is linked through the “Palestine Note” site in the post outlines a much the much stiffer role that George Mitchell or, quite possibly a successor as US rep, must take with both the Israelis and the Palestinians.
    Steve’s analysis and approach is singularly dependent on the assumption being correct that Obama really does rank real stability and reconciliation on I/P extremely high up due to the far reaching regional consequences we now see, and see no end to.
    The devil in stiffening America’s back, as POA points out, is that domestic politics conditions the environment to continue to go easy on Israel and, on occasion (e.g., the sabotaging of the Fitzgerald nomination), to override what appears to be presidential action (even where no formal congressional power exists).
    At the end of Steve’s piece he mentions Bill Clinton as a closer in the deal. A few days ago I suggested Obama task Hillary with more of the responsibility. Whatever. Clearly, domestic political head cracking will have to be involved to overcome aspects of the Israel lobby and its minions in Congress, the media etc. Serious head cracking, and all in due time. I concur that one cannot rely on the common sense of domestic politicians to act in America’s best interest, any more than one can rely on George Mitchell’s “begging” Israel to cooperate to succeed.

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  56. AN says:

    PissedOffAmerican, VERY WELL SAID!

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  57. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Steve, heres a straightforward question for you;
    WHY DO MADDOW AND OLBERMAN IGNORE ANY NEWS, DEVELOPMENTS, ISSUES, OR OPINIONS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE ISRAELI/PALESTINIAN “CONFLICT”?
    Do you agree with what is apparently Olberman and Maddow’s opinion, that developments concerning the Goldstone Report are not “news”?

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  58. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Anyone that has followed Israel’s actions over the years is naive to think that they will allow a reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah. It will simply not happen, period, no matter what efforts Mashal puts forth. When one considers the volumes of evidence that Israel has no desire for peace, much less any incentives for peace, it becomes self-evident that any rift between Hamas and Fatah dovetails perfectly into the Israeli agenda.
    If any steps towards reconciliation become evident, Israel will simply derail the process by any means necessary, even if it entails false flag operations.
    Abbas is a puppet, and Hamas is the legitimate elected governing body. To ignore this fact discredits any opinions, essays, or projected policies that include Abbas as a credible negotiator for the interests of the Palestinians. His recent attempt to push aside the Goldstone Report tells us all we need to know about who gives Abbas his marching orders.
    But even the Inited States, masquerading itself as an even handed mediator for peace, has its fair share of puppets whose strings are operated from the Knesset. Reid, Hoyer, Harmon, Clinton, and Pelosi come immediately to mind on the Left, and Cantor and Huckabee on the Right. And those are just a handful of what can best be described as a bucketful, infecting a high percentage of Congress.
    Israel will NEVER allow Palestinian unity, and their efforts to nurture division and animous between Palestinian factions will be abetted here at home by the likes of Reid and a Congress fully beholding to the myriad of Israeli lobby groups, as well as an American media, both right and left, that is fully onboard with the Zionist agenda.
    The division will continue to be nurtured, the land theft will continue, and excuses will be found, repeatedly, to inflict mass casualties on the Palestinian people. A “final solution” is being pursued, under the guise of “self defense”.
    And their are no conditions or stipulations for our continued gift of blood money to the Israelis. We might just as well pay Israel a bounty for each Palestinian child that the Israelis murder, starve, oppress, or imprison.

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