LIVE STREAM 9:00 AM-2:00 PM – Afghanistan War: Containing or Leveraging U.S. Power?

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Panel 1 - Afg War
The Afghanistan Study Group and the New America Foundation/American Strategy Program invite you and your colleagues to an international public policy discussion on the war in Afghanistan.
– Jordan D’Amato

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40 comments on “LIVE STREAM 9:00 AM-2:00 PM – Afghanistan War: Containing or Leveraging U.S. Power?

  1. DakotabornKansan says:

    The Imperial Press calls for military families to pay more for their health care!!!
    Glenn Greenwald says the Washington Post Editors

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  2. questions says:

    From Thoma, a couple of click to this:
    “Well, debt limit mania has driven me to a similar frenzied state. If my wife came across my manuscript it would read,

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  3. questions says:

    Re “we’re cutting our schools….” It’s worth keeping federal and state budgets separate. Federal spending on the war is made up for by debt. Debt is stimulative.
    School budgets are dealt with from local property taxes. Local property tax receipts are down because of the housing bust, not because of the wars.
    General revenues are down because of the recession and because Republican governors run on campaigns of never raises taxes ever, no matter what, not even in good times.
    If you want to make a money case against the wars, it’s worth using the right part of the budget.
    Tax cuts are the problem.

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  4. DakotabornKansan says:

    bradley manning defines obama’s term and it ain’t pretty…

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  5. DonS says:

    A couple of posts on what Bradley Manning has to say about Obama’s truthiness, and why this topic is germane to a thread concerning Afghanistan and other instances national security obsession perverting open and truthful government activity:
    “The other day Manning

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  6. ... says:

    paul n – the way i see it bradley manning defines obama’s term and it ain’t pretty… everything obama stood for is in the trash can as i see it…

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  7. DakotabornKansan says:

    Beating up on a poor country

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  8. Bart says:

    Absolute madness.
    Did anyone hit Coulter with a pie?

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  9. Don Bacon says:

    Wars, like governors, should have term limits. The U.S. war against Japan involved the armies, navies and air forces of two powerful countries fighting on land masses and oceans over a third of the world and it was finished in three years and nine months.
    Beating up on a poor country without an army, navy or air force should take no more time than that. If it does, then blow the whistle and call it off. Give ‘em four years, and that’s it.

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  10. Don Bacon says:

    Let’s discuss Afghanistan.
    The U.S., as in Iraq, has spent blood and treasure but only made things worse.
    So get out.
    End of discussion.

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  11. DakorabornKansan says:

    James Madison, Corporations, and the National Security State – Military Spending as a Special Concern
    - excerpts from James Madison, Corporations, and the National Security State, remarks by Scott Horton, Liberty and Power Lecture, University of Alabama Law School, Tuscaloosa, AL, April 14, 2011
    http://www.harpers.org/archive/2011/04/hbc-90008058

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  12. DakotabornKansan says:

    Traumatic brain injury is considered the

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  13. downtown says:

    So the 5th Column once again is engaging in
    subterfuge to humiliate the POTUS. Only in America.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/world/middleeast/2
    1prexy.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

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  14. Carroll says:

    I think my first comment on Afghan was it is where other countries go to die.
    I think my second was on the fact that the average life span of an Afghan was 44 yrs, that Afghan has no water, hardly any resources and that the entire world could pump every dollar they have into Afghan for 50 years and it wouldn’t make a dent.
    Get out, leave them alone.Send what material aid the world and US can afford to improve the average Afghan’s lot in life.

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  15. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Ann Coulter on a panel, eh???
    Please dear gawd tell me that Clemons didn’t arrange for that RW jenny to be on a panel he was involved in.
    Whats next, a guest post from Rush Limbaugh?

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  16. Don Bacon says:

    In 1978, the government in Afghanistan was peaceful, moderate, progressive and non-communist. The US government wanted control of Afghanistan. The CIA decided to finance some extremist Moslems and put them into power in Afghanistan.
    Brzezinski said in a 1998 interview:
    “It was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the …. regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.”
    Brzezinski said he “Knowingly increased the probability that (the Soviets) would invade.
    Peter Dale Scott pointed out, in The Road to 9/11, that “billions of CIA and Saudi dollars would ultimately be spent in programs that would help enhance … Wahhabistic jihadism….”
    In 1979, Hafizullah Amin, who was reportedly a CIA asset, carried out a coup in Afghanistan. Amin “halted the reforms, and murdered, jailed, or exiled thousands of (moderates) as he moved toward establishing a fundamentalist Islamic state.”
    The Soviets intervened in order to replace Amin. The Soviet invasion took place in 1980. ”
    http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2010/09/cia-support-for-extremist-moslems-in.html

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  17. Paul Norheim says:

    Meanwhile:
    “War in Libya Could Drag On, Military Analysts Say
    By STEVEN ERLANGER
    Published: April 20, 2011
    PARIS

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  18. Kathleen says:

    During the campaign Obama did not hide his intentions in Afghanistan. Never.

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  19. Paul Norheim says:

    DonS,
    out of curiosity, I just googled the LBJ references I mentioned above, and here is what I found from a thread three
    weeks after Obama was elected (and seven weeks before the inauguration):
    “Posted by Paul Norheim, Nov 30 2008, 8:43AM – Link
    Perhaps Barack Obama will become, not so much the new John F. Kennedy as the new Lyndon B. Johnson – escalating
    the war in Afghanistan?
    Bundy and those men of his generation were not only called “the Best and the Brightest” in a famous later book; they
    were also known as the “New Frontiersmen”.
    ——————————————-
    3:40PM:
    This could become Europe`s nightmare as well, through NATO.
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    3:58PM:
    Bin Laden and his men bragged about being the force that brought the USSR down in Afghanistan during the 80`s. It
    must have come as a complete surprise to these old fighters that Bush chose to attack Iraq, instead of concentrating
    fully on Afghanistan: they probably expected that they could bring the last remaining superpower do it`s knees in the
    mountains of Afghanistan.
    Barack Obama may become the man they`ve been waiting for, in a long, long war against a weakened superpower.
    —————————————————–
    There was some discussion about this too – here is the link:
    http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2008/11/michiko_kakutan/
    What else is there to discuss within the frames of the occupation? The escalation was entirely predictable. Just like
    Vietnam, the mission is a lost case, and we all know it.

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  20. questions says:

    In response to the please don’t downgrade the mood-y-ness of the nation:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/us-stocks-advance-as-dow-rallies-to-highest-level-since-2008/2011/04/20/AF1hTxCE_story.html?hpid=z2
    “April 20 (Bloomberg) — U.S. stocks rallied, sending the Dow Jones Industrial Average to the highest level since June 2008, as sales at companies from Intel Corp. to Yahoo! Inc. exceeded estimates and commodity producers gained.”
    Gold prices are way up too. There’s a disconnect, but it looks like the frowngrade was priced in and out in a day plus.

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  21. Kathleen says:

    Paul Northern I have been spending a fair amount of time at the VA in Dayton Ohio with my WWII veteran father who is not getting the medical care he needs at the nursing home he is in.
    We found out that he is not on the Doctors list out there any longer because he had not been out there in a year. This is what they are doing to older Vets without telling you. No phone calls, nothing in the mail. If you have not been out to the VA in a year you are knocked off the list at the VA. At the Dayton Ohio VA they are 10 Doctors short so who knows when our older Vets can get back on.
    Do folks realize how many of our older Vets are sitting in nursing homes with no one visiting? No recognition of what they sacrificed? I was with Bobby Brandenberg at a nursing home in Trotwood Ohio called Maria Josephs recently. Bobby was a WWII Marine (who was 93 and died a few weeks ago at Maria Josephs. I sat in his room with him for 30 minutes with his call light on. No one came. I went out in the hall and asked the nurses to come and they basically ignored me. I rolled Bobby up to the nurses station and he started calling out “help me help me” Two nurses (one a red head named Kathy) did not even look up at him. Bobby was not a complainer. I am so ashamed of myself I did not go up to their superiors and quite frankly Kathy is the head nurse during that shift. I had all ready complained about my father sitting and waiting to go to the bathroom for 40 minutes that day so I did not push it. I walked away from Bobby as he sat calling out to the nurses “help me help me” Although I fed Bobby on several occasions after that because I found his food on a tray cold as ice numerous times. I would go down to the cafeteria and get him some hot soup and a fresh salad and he would eat every bite. I am still terribly ashamed that I walked away from him that night. Our WWII, Korean, Vietnam, Desert Storm, Iraq, Afghanistan Vets none of them none of them deserve to be ignored, humiliated or gods sake homeless.
    Have gone out to the Dayton Ohio VA just tospend time talking with the Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korean and WWII Vets. I recommend it. Talking with young men with missing legs, arms and many with missing pieces of their minds. Many many sad and needlessly tragic stories. These injuries will be with these young men and women for the rest of their lives.
    If I were the judge of the world 5 time deferred Cheney, Bush, Wolfowitz, Feith, Condi “mushroom cloud” Rice, Rumsfeld etc would have to cook for these Vets, change bed pans at Walter Reed etc for the rest of their lives. That would not even get close to exposing them to the pain suffering and death and destruction that the Bush administration thugs have caused.
    Go visit a Vet.

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  22. Kathleen says:

    Don Bacon. Really Ann Coultergeist repeated absolute lies. How in the hell can Steve just stand their and allow the lies about WMD’s be repeated. And sorry that little cross around her neck and anyone else who spits out bone chilling comments about how invading Iraq for oil and thousands are killed, maimed and millions displaced in the process is totally acceptable to that blond fake Christian. I grew up with people who hide their greedy, selfish, willing to massacre for their lifestyle kind of hypocrites. They drive me insane.
    Call them out all ready. Especially when they trot their fake religious beliefs across the stage while voicing total support for thousands being massacred for our oil needs.
    These are the same people who call themselves pro life when they will not support health care for all, living wages, and equity in education. Pro fetus but clearly not pro life.
    Too many fake Christians not enough lions

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  23. DonS says:

    Pauk you are correct, I believe, about it being a foregone conclusion that Obama would escalate Afghanistan, several times, acquiescing to whateve3r the military experts deemed necessary to follow a ‘winning’ trajectory.
    It’s despicable that the rest of the nation, and the world, had to witness Obama’s “thoughtful”, prolonged, self-validating charade of a review before he made that oh-so-tough, soul searching, agonizing decision . . . to do what he had his mind made up to do anyway.
    And now we have to go through the July ’11 charade of a draw down that’s not really a draw down. And not leaving after 2014 either. No siree.
    Oh yeah, and not leaving Iraq either.
    How may ways can you spell liars, deceitful, militaristic robots? But they’re all rich, set up and well provisioned for their lives after politics. They certainly won’t have to worry about their social security benefits or whether their medicare coverage is adequate. I am sorry that I am living in a time to witness the degeneration of a once great nation.

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  24. Don Bacon says:

    Kathleen, we mustn’t take these panels too seriously. The people are on them are no smarter or better informed than you or me or the fencepost.

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  25. Paul Norheim says:

    On may wonder what the American soldiers and vets from Iraq and Afghanistan think about their superiors – especially
    the political leadership in Washington. They went into Afghanistan to hunt down bin Laden and his Taliban protectors;
    they fought in Iraq to get rid of weapons of mass destruction… Yeah. Sure. And then? Don’t the best of these soldiers,
    those who sincerely believed in their mission, somehow feel cheated? Don’t they ever ask questions like: What does
    patriotism mean? Why are we here?
    I’m sure some of them do. But we don’t hear much about it. Neither do I hear much from Norwegian soldiers serving in
    Afghanistan under NATO command.
    Obama’s escalation of the war in Afghanistan – an election promise – was a grave mistake. Before he got elected, I
    mentioned several times at TWN that he ran the risk of becoming the LBJ of our time. Any outsider listening carefully to
    his promises could have predicted that. Sure, Obama is not to blame for the financial crisis and the debt he inherited. But
    escalating the war in Afghanistan didn’t exactly help either. And his approval of the treatment of Bradley Manning has left
    a stain on his character that doesn’t get unnoticed abroad.
    Is it intended as a warning signal, to make sure that all these cheated soldiers and ex-soldiers remain loyal, no matter
    what they’re asked to do?

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  26. DonS says:

    Via FDL:
    after supporting Obama’s war up til now, “In an interview with The Daily Beast, Dean says it

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  27. DakotabornKansan says:
  28. ... says:

    Afghanistan War: Containing or Leveraging U.S. Power?
    the conversation 10 years out……
    and the conversation 50 years out will look like………………..?
    the usa can’t continue to exist… all the lies are unsustainable…

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  29. DakotabornKansan says:

    As Julian Glover writes in The Guardian, we are following the path of the Soviet Union

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  30. Carroll says:

    Keep on talking and discussing American power…right down to the last penny available for leverging power…fiddle, fiddle, fiddle, while Rome burns.
    “It seems the Obama administration privately urged S&P not to downgrade the debt outlook:
    The Obama administration privately urged Standard & Poor

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  31. kathleen says:

    Ann Coulter how do you rationalize your alleged Christian beliefs with the death, injury and displaced in Iraq based on a “pack of lies”. I hear you say that the invasion was worth it just based on oil alone. How do you rationalize this with your alleged Christian beliefs?
    I call folks like yourself bloody Christian hypocrites

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  32. Kathleen says:

    Oh right former CIA analyst Ray McGovern. Now we will have some fact based comments

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  33. Kathleen says:

    Ann Coulter type of Christians who flaunt their bloody cold blooded willingness to invade, kill, slaughter in Iraq for oil.
    Ann Coulter”clown Joe Wilson” God all mighty Steve stop her. She is a liar. There has never been any evidence that Saddam was seeking uranium in Niger. Stop this Christian hypocrite and her endless lying.
    Why would such a liar be on a panel? Please at least have people on a panel who have facts.
    God I can not stand fake Christians like this. She is blood thirsty and a liar too. Put some intelligent fact based people on your panel.
    Coulter is absolutely disgusting

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  34. Kathleen says:

    So if the US were to leave Afghanistan what is the likelihood of Al Queda building up the ability to launch another attack on the US?
    Again I was against the invasion of Afghanistan but now that we are there what is wrong with nation building? The people of Afghanistan have suffered for so long from war.
    So whats her name (that blonde woman) just said it is ok to go to war for oil. Kill thousands. Think she is a Christian too. Aye yi yi. No need to wonder why we are so hated in that part of the world when you hear a white blonde woman wearing a little cross around her neck saying that of course we should invade a nation for oil. God all mighty she is disgusting.
    What a disgusting person. Ok she just said her name Ann Coulter. One of those Christian types who will kill for oil and step over the uninsured and Vets on living on the streets as she goes to her house of worship.

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  35. Don Bacon says:

    Here are eight soldiers who won’t, like Admiral Mullen, know any more at the end of the fighting season. They were all killed in Afghanistan, all on the same day, April 16, 2011.
    These soldiers died April 16 at Forward Operating Base Gamberi, Nangarhar province, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when an Afghan National Army soldier attacked them with multiple grenades.
    Capt. Charles E. Ridgley Jr., 40, of Baltimore, Md.
    Sgt. 1st Class Charles L. Adkins, 36, of Sandusky, Ohio
    Staff Sgt. Cynthia R. Taylor, 39, of Columbus, Ga.
    Sgt. Linda L. Pierre, 28, Immokalee, Fla.
    Spc. Joseph B. Cemper, 21, Warrensburg, Mo.
    These soldiers died of wounds suffered April 16, in Nimroz province, Afghanistan when insurgents attacked their unit with an improvised explosive device.
    Spc. Paul J. Atim, 27, of Green Bay, Wis.
    Spc. Charles J. Wren, 25, of Beeville, Texas
    Pfc. Joel A. Ramirez, 22, of Waxahachie, Texas

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  36. Kathleen says:

    Having trouble with the live stream. Any advice?
    Can they discuss different factions of the Taliban?
    How many poppy farmers are subsidized to switch crops?
    How much has the poppy growing been rerouted to growing for legal uses?
    How many pomegrante, almond, grape, etc orchards that were destroyed by Russia have been replanted?

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  37. Kathleen says:

    I am one of the folks who was against the invasion of Afghanistan. Still think it was a mistake. But after years of talking with a wonderful young man from Afghanistan who was studying here at Ohio University some years back on a Fulbright I of course learned far more. His father had fought with the Mujahadeen against the Russians. His father retired from the Afghani military, he is an older gent. When my friend and I would discuss what the US was doing in Afghanistan and I would have the honor of asking his father and he questions they would both often say (back in 2004) “does the US want to lose Afghanistan again” “they must negotiate with the Taliban”
    My question is why has it taken so long to attempt to negotiate with the Taliban?
    And how pissed off are the Taliban that the 2000 or more Taliban members that surrendered just after the US invasion that were allowed to so brutally suffocate way back in 2001 and no one in the US Press touched this issue how pissed off did this make the Taliban? And why was it only Amy Goodman who reported about this massacre and the documentary about it in the US?
    Convoy of Death in Afghanistan
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3267.htm

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  38. Don Bacon says:

    We’ve had a No Fly Zone in Afghanistan for ten years, and Admiral Mullen is currently in Afghanistan.
    How’s it going, Admiral?

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  39. DonS says:

    Not trying to prejudge anything anyone will be saying during the discussion, but isn’t it it getting a bit tiresome to continue to dignify the calamity we have created? Why? To scrub the history? To preserve the very serious credentials of those who plan, perpetrate, and execute the “policy”, no matter haw flawed, non-existent, and failed it is?
    Meanwhile people die, and millions are expended (or put on the national credit card) because this endless war mentality has momentum and the disastrous truth is hidden from the nightly news. The tide has not yet turned, and riding the ‘terrorism’ hobby horse remains good for the political, military, and corporate business, no matter how disconnected from an honest frame with appropriate tactics and resources.
    It is perhaps banal to once again repeat the definition of insanity — you all know it.
    “Joint Chiefs Chair Admiral Mike Mullen made remarks in Afghanistan Tuesday as he prepared for meetings in Pakistan on Wednesday and Thursday. Remarkably, Mullen tried to tell us in a news release at the Joint Chiefs web site that the first eight and a half years of fighting in Afghanistan don

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