Ludlum in Dubai: Hamas Assassination Could Provide Breakthrough Opportunity

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(collection of photos from passports of individuals suspected in the assassination of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh)
Taylor Marsh has a great post up that pieces together elements of the Robert Ludlumesque intrigue around the recent assassination in Dubai of Hamas commander Mahmoud al-Mabhouh.
amd_al-mabhouh.jpgThe story is gripping and sensational — and could lead either to further tragedies on both sides of the Israel-Palestine divide, or to a breakthrough on how to deal with Hamas.
The UAE government, with which the United States is basically closely tying itself on a great number of fronts but most explicitly recently on a nuclear power and technology agreement, has publicly stated that it believes Israel’s Mossad is “99%” behind the assassination and has issued an arrest warrant for Israel PM Benjamin Netanyahu.
Hamas has threatened Israel with revenge.
And UK Foreign Minister David Miliband is “outraged” that forged British passports were used in the plot and promised to get to the bottom of things. I am waiting for the Foreign Minister to blog about his concerns about the case.
But more importantly, Miliband’s government as well as the Irish and French governments have demanded information from various Israel ambassadors and representatives of the Israeli government. All eyes are on Israel for this assassination.
Though the Israeli government has not admitted to the deed, when allies like the Brits and French make diplomatic demands, that is a good market indicator of Israel’s responsibility.
Why this assassination matters so much — whether people believe that Israel’s right to extraterritorial executions is justified as part of national self defense — is that Israel and Hamas had been close to an extraordinary deal on prisoner swaps.
Senior Israel government officials have reported to me that in the wake of Iranian domestic convulstions, Hamas has been trying to diversify its relationships and adjust its posture to potentially join a unity government in Palestine that could negotiate with Israel and various Arab and Western stakeholders in the region.
Ironically, the assassination of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh — whose picture will no doubt be added now to a wall of pictured martyrs from the Hamas movement in the headquarters of Khaled Mashal (in fact the wall of martyrs is to my left in the video interview I did above with Khaled Mashal) — may create such international frustration with Israel for disrupting efforts at regional stabilization and negotiations that there may be a real push to now end the international isolation of Hamas.
I don’t believe that the US will be sitting down with Mashal any time soon — but perhaps it is time that we removed the American veto on someone like French national security adviser to Nicolas Sarkozy, Jean-David Levitte, from meeting and discussing terms with Hamas and how paralysis in the region might be broken.
In fact, I am convinced that it is time for the US to suspend the work of its own envoy, George Mitchell, and to subcontract the operation for achieving a workable, two-state solution and regional stabilization plan in the Middle East to Levitte.
– Steve Clemons

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49 comments on “Ludlum in Dubai: Hamas Assassination Could Provide Breakthrough Opportunity

  1. RT says:

    The Israelis are being eerily quiet about all this. The Irish Times called them out on it, too:
    “Israel is ever ready to denounce acts of terrorism when it is a target so its silence on this act of international terrorism is deafening.” (http://bit.ly/cj27VH)

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  2. Outraged American says:

    Israel sure knows how to stab her own-maybe Israelis don’t
    trust anyone because they can’t trust each other?
    ‘Fake identity’ Brits warned that their lives are in danger
    UK Independent
    Sunday, Feb. 21, 2010
    The lives of the six British citizens whose identities were stolen
    by a Mossad assassination team are in danger, and they should
    not even consider leaving their homes in Israel for at least two
    years, a former senior officer in the Israeli intelligence agency
    warned yesterday. The British relatives of those whose passports
    were used by Mossad should also be aware of the risk of
    revenge attacks for the killing of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, one of
    the founders of Hamas’s military wing, in Dubai last month, he
    added.
    continues
    http://tinyurl.com/ybzecys

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  3. questions says:

    3rd graph, missing verb in a clause. oh well. supply your own!

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  4. questions says:

    Ya know, the cruelty/kindness stuff has been at the forefront of my brain the past few weeks. Somewhere between Richard III and Machiavelli, this issue shines forth.
    One utilitarian reading allows these tradoffs. I’m not sure that Mill goes this far. In fact, I think that he’s far less utilitarian than he thinks.
    But since I lean far over towards Kantianism, where in fact the principle of acting solely from duty and not the least bit from inclination, acting from principle and not outcome, I would probably argue that being cruel to be kind in the longer run is not a great idea. Killing 5 million people on the off chance of saving some totally unknown number is a questionable deed.
    My best guess is that Israel could ease up quite safely, that domestic political concerns within a parliamentary system are far more the issue than any genuine need to be as extreme as they are. It’s a little like the O’Reilly/Beck thing, I think. They have both backed off their rhetoric just a teeny bit in the past couple of days, most likely at Murdoch’s insistence. Murdoch sees the writing on the wall, the threat to his profits if he lets these guys go as far as language allows, and he’s trying to call back the dogs. O’Reilly said it’s ok to bash Obama’s policies, but back off the man himself. Beck has backed off calling for “revolution.” But it may be too little too late for the escalation of rhetoric and action.
    In the same way, Israel’s domestic politics has these radicalizing elements that gain political power in their parliamentary system. One locks oneself into escalation dominance, and so Israel is trapped in a domestic Cold War of its own making. Just as the US has been trapped in wars that start from rhetoric, so is Israel.
    Realize the trap aspect of the rhetoric. Realize that the demagoguery chickens come home to roost.

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  5. nadine says:

    “I think it’s the same issue with I/P — some consistent read of cruelty and depredation would be nice to see. Yes, Hamas is deeply problematic. Yes, there are significant ideological issues. Yes, there’s radicalization. Yes, there’s threat. But the ‘I’ part of I/P bears some responsibility for more measured responses and more humanitarian concern.”
    Questions, it is not enough to measure cruelty and depredation in ignorance of the players, strategy and tactics. For example, it is not fair to assign Israel blame for killing Palestinian “children” who are 16 and 17 year old militants. The IDF can’t card the guys firing at them. Yet this blame is routinely dished out to Israel, to Hamas’ advantage.
    The fair response is the one Moshe Halbertal puts forth: to examine the IDF’s ROE and see if they lived up to it. How have they weighed the trade-offs between effectiveness against Hamas vs. not shooting civilians? This is a complicated question.
    We both know your call for measured responses and humanitarian concern is not aimed at Hamas. They are not going to develop a sudden concern for civilians that will make them wear uniforms or move their rocket launchers out of apartment buildings or confine themselves to military targets.
    The net effect of one-sided humanitarian concern is to prolong conflicts and hand leverage to Hamas. You wind up making sure the conflict never ends. Is this humanitarian?
    The authors of the Geneva Convention were much more clear-minded about the need to avoid perverse incentives than today’s left, who don’t care because they blame America or Israel for every death whether they caused it or not.
    The authors of the Geneva Convention specified that combatants hiding behind civilians removed the protection from those civilians and churches used for firing posts lost the protection on religious buildings. They did this remove the perverse incentives which you want to increase.
    There is a wise saying in the Talmud that is worth remembering: those who are kind to the cruel are cruel to the kind.

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  6. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Mass Casualties”: The Dark Underbelly of Occupation, an Army Medic’s Account
    Thursday 18 February 2010
    by: Dahr Jamail, t r u t h o u t | Review
    “Look around,” the drill sergeant said. “In a few years, or even a few months, several of you will be dead. Some of you will be severely wounded or so badly mutilated that your own mother can’t stand the sight of you. And for the real unlucky ones, you will come home so emotionally disfigured that you wish you had died over there.”
    “It was Week 7 of basic training … eighteen years old and I was preparing myself to die,” said Michael Anthony in “Mass Casualties: A Young Medic’s True Story of Death, Deception and Dishonor in Iraq.” The book is more than a simple memoir about a difficult experience. It is an insider’s scathing testimony of an ongoing illegal and unethical military action in a distant, once-sovereign state, by the US. Perhaps, this fresh account will raise some outcry over an issue that has all but dropped out of the American public’s radar.
    Following the family legacy of military service, Anthony enlisted in the military at 17. The image he had nurtured of the idealism of military life, however, ran aground upon his arrival in Iraq, where he served as a medic in an operating room (OR) at a US military base.
    “Mass Casualties” is a collection of Anthony’s personal journal entries from his time in Iraq. It includes his introspections on and insights into the inherently irrational and meaningless nature of military life. The rawness of the narrative reveals how the occupation broke down the young soldier’s spirit and almost desensitized him into believing “my job isn’t to feel.”
    The late historian and Author Howard Zinn held the book in high regard. “Michael Anthony’s memoir is not about the politics of Iraq. Instead it takes us deep inside the war, inside and outside the operation room, the barracks, the talk of the soldiers, the feeling of the situation … unique and powerful,” Zinn wrote.
    The young author makes no attempt to shield the reader from the reality of war. In one instance, he gives a graphic description of working on an Iraqi patient who had received shrapnel from proximity to a suicide bomber. The shrapnel embedded in the patient’s body happened to be bone fragments of the suicide bomber.
    “I’ve got a belly full of bacon and eggs and I’m about to have my arms elbow deep in someone’s stomach,” he wrote of his first days there, “In the OR we only do three surgeries at a time because that’s the number of beds we have. Even worse is that in one of our rooms we have two OR beds placed only a few feet apart. This means we’ll often have two surgeries going on at the same time in the same room. Not the most sterile setup in the world, but we’re short on staff and short on space, just not short on patients.”
    Here is an account that chronicles the impact of war on the individual psyche as well as the collective consciousness of those that participate in it. We are shown the swift process of dehumanization that all soldiers undergo on the ground, to the extent that the lines distinguishing “friend” from enemy get blurred.
    After hearing about a woman in his unit being “gang-banged” by three Marines at his base the soldier writes: “I wish I could just forget everything and go back to thinking that everyone in the military is an American hero. I wish I still had someone to look up to, although I know it’s impossible. None of it seems to make sense, and I can’t understand how people can do what they do.”
    The author’s morale, like that of his peers, plummets within weeks of his arrival in Iraq. Nothing had prepared him for the melting of backgrounds and personalities that the Army is. His associates in the battle field are not easy people: “What an outfit: people in their thirties, married with children, all of them having affairs. One was a heroine addict; the other has slept with eleven men in the past three months. One guy tired to kill himself and another kidnapped a drug dealer. Alcoholics, chain smokers, compulsive gamblers – who am I to judge?”
    The reader is exposed to the factors leading to post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), a serious condition that has been affecting veterans and active duty soldiers alike, in epidemic proportions since the beginning of the occupation.
    Anthony writes of a suicide prevention class he and his fellow-soldiers are required to attend:
    … they also tell us that people who are suicidal usually become depressed from big changes happening in their lives. They say that depressed people become withdrawn and will not enjoy everyday activities. They’ll sleep a lot. I couldn’t help but laugh when I heard this … because I looked around the room and everyone fit the criteria. We’ve all had a huge change in our lives coming to Iraq. Everyone here is withdrawn and sleeps as much as possible, and our everyday activities consist of running for our lives and working on near-death patients. Who wouldn’t be depressed and want to spend time alone? We work long hours at unpredictable times, and we see the same people twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week. What I never understood from these classes is how are we supposed to spot the real suicidal people when everyone has suicidal symptoms?
    There is a suicide attempt in his unit, but the higher-ups opt not to write it up because nobody wants the hassle of doing the paperwork.
    Matters inevitably worsen under abusive commanders. While he is resigned to the binding contract that “… says that all my decisions are to be made by somebody else who is my superior,” he does not feel particularly comfortable about it. “I’ve seen him yell at a female soldier while she sobbed uncontrollably. This is the guy who’s supposed to be, I mean is, our leader in Iraq.”
    When Anthony’s unit is moved from Mosul to Al-Anbar province in central Iraq to set up a new hospital, the unit commander leads the men to believe that he would be working at another hospital for a month, but actually he was back in the US taking a class at a war college because he needed the course in order to be promoted. The medic finds it unconscionable: “I start to feel nauseous – we are in the middle of fighting a war and our leader has given himself a month-long VACATION.”
    As the book progresses, the shift in Anthony’s stance from his original reverence of the military to a defined mistrust of it, becomes evident. So much so that he said, “All it took for me to respect someone in the military was for that person to refuse a direct order.”
    continues…
    http://www.truthout.org/mass-casualties-the-dark-underbelly-occupation-army-medics-account56992
    It is truly a shame we can’t plop Nadine’s ass smack dab in the middle of this. But unfortunately, the murderous bigot is too cowardly to act on her own hatreds. Instead, she just fantacizes, while our children pay the price that her brand of evil exacts on mankind.

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  7. questions says:

    Nadine,
    The question always has to be just how necessary the war is, just how much a population or a government is responding to a climate of hostility. There may well be times when war is a lesser evil, but my guess is that much that leads up to war is less than necessary.
    By the way, I just saw a Vietnamese death number from the war — somewhere around 5 million dead. War on one’s own soil is a brutal thing. I don’t know where you strike the balance, I don’t even know entirely where I would strike a balance, but war kills a lot of people and when the “left” worries about war, it’s not celebrating the horrors of America and enjoying America-bashing, it’s responding to just what 5 million deaths of human beings, mothers and fathers, babies and children — 5 million dead.
    One could ask something like, “When will the right realize that its fears can be overblown, that the deaths that result from military action might outweigh the cruelty it identifies.” And further, one might ask, “When will the right realize that right-wing dictators are brutal, even as left-wing dictators are brutal? So the support of right-wing dictators as a strategy is not exactly defensible on human rights grounds.”
    The left doesn’t just “bash America,” it does so with cause.
    And the whole mess in Viet Nam and Cambodia played out against the background of the right’s most insane creation — the Cold War. Forced agrarianism is wicked stuff, no doubt. Purges and mass assassinations, again, wicked stuff. But the right cares about this kind of thing only when it’s communist-inspired, not when it’s a rightwing dictator starving the masses, disappearing people, supporting the drug trade….
    If I have time to read up a bit more on Pol Pot’s reign, Soviet support if there was any, and the like, I’ll send along another comment. I don’t know all of the details of our and France’s involvement, the post colonialism, Soviet support, Chinese support and the like. But there was more than killing fields motivating US involvement, for sure.
    If you want to suggest that the left is crazy in its hatred of necessary wars to save masses of people from the commies, please be consistent at least and toss in a kind word for the victims of rightwing dictators, too.
    I think it’s the same issue with I/P — some consistent read of cruelty and depredation would be nice to see. Yes, Hamas is deeply problematic. Yes, there are significant ideological issues. Yes, there’s radicalization. Yes, there’s threat. But the ‘I’ part of I/P bears some responsibility for more measured responses and more humanitarian concern. When you’re less than even in the distribution of criticism (not “even” as in 50/50, but “even” as in “indeed there’s some responsibility on both sides”) then you’re read as overly ideological, overly biased, talking-points spouting…. And there may be some merit to the criticism.
    The rightwing isn’t the only place of, umm, righteousness. And the rightwing is super duper capable of overlooking mass deaths as needed.
    War is a brutal thing. And war on your own land is more brutal than you seem to acknowledge in your 5:14 post.

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  8. nadine says:

    While we are remembering the aftermath of the Vietnam War, can we spare a thought to the massacres, reeducation camps and boat people of Vietnam and the killing fields of Cambodia? These killed literally millions of people. Shouldn’t that make more of an impression than 12 people a year killed by leftover ordnance? When will the left care more about people dying than blaming America?

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  9. questions says:

    David,
    Beautiful post. “Perpetual Peace” reminds us that we need to dismantle standing armies, we need to ensure that those who send citizens to war are so tied to the people that it’s downright painful for them to do the sending. We, of course, keep a massive standing army that always needs new tasks and we generally don’t sent the children of the elites and the decision makers. We get perpetual war instead of perpetual peace.
    THIS war is always necessary because our hands are tied, our reputation is at stake, our resources are crucial. We bind ourselves by rhetoric and practice. The real on-the-ground horror of depleted uranium, flying body parts, land mines, PTSD, disease and destruction is lost in the fervor of the “mission” and we get stuck again. Always thinking THIS war is necessary.
    Since we cannot do double-blind studies (the Frum/Clemons video also points this out), we can’t ever really know if THIS war is unnecessary. We can have have some pretty deep suspicions, though. But suspicion, how ever deep, is not enough to stop the pressure to kill. So kill we do.
    The one occasional hope I have is that Kant notes that despite our best efforts to kill each other in the nastiest ways possible, the cunning of nature is going to make peace inevitable anyway. Here’s to that one slim possibility.

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  10. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “I also see that the new helium head from Mass, Senator Brown, thinks it’s funny to joke about the domestic terrorist who flew his plane into the IRS building and killed an innocent civilian as sharing America’s dislike for taxes, humor also on display among others at the CPAC gathering. These people are, at best, sick”
    Yeah, and every time I get to thinking Ron Paul might just have something good to offer, he aligns himself with one or another of the scumball fanatics the Right seems to be afflicted with. I sure don’t see any Knights in Shining Armor riding to our nation’s resue.

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  11. David says:

    “Heard an interesting thing about why Laos hasn’t caught up with its neighbors. Seems we dropped one point three MILLION tons of ordinance on Laos, one third of which didn’t detonate. Farmlands are STILL, to this day, dangerous to till. An average of twelve people a year are killed by ordinance dropped during the Viet Nam War. Gee, makes ya proud, don’t it??? You’d think we’d have teams over there, yesteryear, working to find and disarm this stuff. But, nope.”
    This, unfortunately, is inseparable from who we as a nation are, and why I am appalled anytime I hear the Viet Nam War described as a noble cause. Some noble service people did some very noble things, most notably the helicopter crew who stopped the My Lai massacre (and were treated quite disdainfully when they returned to the country which sent them there), but decency and nobility, while they describe many, many members of our armed services – including all the service people who refuse to participate once they are confronted with the realities of any particular U.S. military engagement – U.S. foreign/military policy is far too short on decency and nobility.
    My contempt is directed at the people who send essentially decent young Americans to do quite indecent things. It is also directed at the popular American pro-war mindset, which is unsettled only when we are losing. It is essentially unaffected by the realities of U.S. foreign policy, about which Americans know very little in any intellectually honest, comprehensive sense.
    I see the CPAC has welcomed the John Birch Society back to the table. No surprise, actually. This is who these reactionaries really are. Ann Coulter should be beside herself with glee.
    I also see that the new helium head from Mass, Senator Brown, thinks it’s funny to joke about the domestic terrorist who flew his plane into the IRS building and killed an innocent civilian as sharing America’s dislike for taxes, humor also on display among others at the CPAC gathering. These people are, at best, sick.

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  12. Outraged American says:

    Now Israel’s throwing a star tennis player under the bus.
    Granted the US has betrayed many of her own citizens, but to do
    it so openly and with such glee… this poor Israeli tennis player
    will probably never be able to play again:
    Israel embassy sets U.K. a-Twitter over ‘second Dubai hit’
    By Haaretz Service
    Already under fire over the Mossad’s alleged role in an extra-
    judicial killing, Israel’s diplomats on Friday risked criticism on
    grounds of taste over a message posted by their U.K. embassy
    on Twitter.
    According to a report in theU.K. newspaper The Guardian, a
    tweet issued by the embassy on Thursday read: “@israeluk You
    heard it here first: Israeli tennis player carries out hit on #Dubai
    target http://ow.ly/18A79“.
    The message, which linked to a story on Israeli tennis player
    Shahar Peer’s victory in the third round of a Dubai tournament,
    was an apparent double-reference to the assassination of
    Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in Dubai, widely believed to have been
    carried out by Israeli intelligence.
    continues
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1151023.html

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  13. Sweetness says:

    Marcus writes: “I thought it was only leftist fat-bottomed british
    women who liked to take it up the ass by arabs – carroll obviously
    has taken it so deep – her brains are mashed-up. This blog is
    disguting! If it wasnt for nadine and wig-wag it would look exactly
    like STORMFRONT! Your a bunch of racist white trash pretending
    you have something clever to say PATHETIC LOSERS JERKING EACH
    OTHER OFF!”
    Marcus, perhaps you know that I’m no fan of Carroll’s views on
    things Israel and Jews–but your comment is racist. It’s also utterly
    childish in its artless inarticulateness. Perhaps not so strangely,
    you yourself sound like a pathetic loser jerking off. Nadine and Wig
    are far above your efforts here–at least they say something. You
    do them a big disservice in associating them with this garbage.

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  14. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “I thought it was only leftist fat-bottomed british women who liked to take it up the *** ** arabs – carroll obviously has taken it so deep – her brains are mashed-up”
    Adios, Marcus. I’d bet you’re history.
    Its been enlightening. Its always nice to be reminded about what kind of people carry Nadine’s torch.
    Any minute now, I suppose Kotz will compliment you on setting us all straight.

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  15. ... says:

    this reminds me of mohamad attas passport floating down among the rubble of 9-11… amazing how passports tell stories that run counter to the official story lines when the lids comes off…

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  16. ... says:

    “The agent says that MI6 was told in advance that Israel would use the passport for an “overseas operation” — an operation that was to be a hit.”
    keep on working the propaganda, i don’t think this story is going to die down any time soon…

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  17. ... says:

    >>Posted by Tony Foresta, Feb 18 2010, 6:47PM – Link
    Bravo Shin Bet!!! Nice clean work, and one less
    massmurderer on the planet. Of course exposing
    their identities is probably dangerous for those
    individuals now, – and they’ll be pushed
    underground, and the world has lost a proficient wet
    team, at least for a while, – but I trust that
    Israel has other squads on the clock.
    The more dead massmurderers, – the better for the
    rest of civilized humanity.<<
    i am sure you felt the same way about doing away with ariel sharon, or the present leader of israel netanyahu too.. hyocrite…
    most civilized countries don’t condone mass murders or executions without a prior trial… i see how you’re different… i hope they go for you next… at some point, why bother with reasons… that i am afraid is your logic…

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  18. Paul Norheim says:

    Outraged,
    I haven’t yet received it. I’ll tell you if/when Steve sends it.
    But what the heck?
    paulnorheim (at) hotmail (dot) com

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  19. Outraged American says:

    Like the “courtesy call” Netanyahu received from “Islamic” terrorists
    warning about the London 7/7 attack?
    What utter BS.
    BTW Paul, Steve is sending you my email address. This project has
    nothing to do with politics, I just need some background info.

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  20. Paul Norheim says:

    “MI6 was tipped off that Israeli agents were going to carry out
    an ‘overseas operation’ using fake British passports, it was
    claimed last night.
    A member of Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, said the
    Foreign Office was also told hours before a Hamas terrorist
    chief was assassinated in Dubai.
    The tip-off did not say who the target would be or even where
    the hit squad would be in action.
    But the claim from a credible source that the Government had
    some prior knowledge of the abuse of UK passports will
    strengthen calls for ministers to come clean about what they
    knew and when.
    Oath of revenge: Hamas militants stamping on an Israeli flag
    during a memorial rally for Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in Gaza last
    night
    Hamas militants in a refugee camp brandish their weapons
    during a parade to honour their dead commander
    It came as more details emerged of how Mahmoud al-Mabhouh
    was lured into a trap by Palestinian double agents last month
    before being smothered with a pillow.
    The killers tried to make his death look like an accident.
    A British security source who met the Mossad agent, and has a
    track record of providing reliable information, told the Daily
    Mail: ‘This is a serving member of Israeli intelligence.
    ‘He says the British Government was told very, very briefly
    before the operation what was going to happen. There was no
    British involvement and they didn’t know the name of the target.
    But they were told these people were travelling on UK
    passports.’
    The security source said that the tip-off was not a request for
    permission to use British passports but more a ‘courtesy call’ to
    let the security services know ‘a situation’ might blow up.
    Read more:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-
    1252034/Hamas-assassination-Did-Britain-know-Mossad-
    hit.html#ixzz0fzjjsJwh

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  21. Carroll says:

    That’s Dubia authorities

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  22. Carroll says:

    ubai authorities are looking into five U.S.-issued credit card accounts suspected to have been used by the alleged assassins of Hamas strongman Mahmoud al-Mabhouh last January, the Wall Street journal reported on Thursday.
    The cards, according to the Wall Street Journal report, issued by U.S. banks, were used by the suspected assassins to buy plane tickets connected to the operation, as well as other travel related items.
    If indeed the cards will prove to have been used by the suspected killers of the Hamas commander, that incident could join a string of diplomatic strains between Israel, who many estimate is behind the assassination, and it’s western allies. (Read more from haaretz.com)

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  23. PissedOffAmerican says:

    So this happens right on the heels of us targeting a muslim cleric whose sin was simply having a website that was visited by a Muslim wackjob that went postal?
    I wonder, what websites did our domestic nut visit before he climbed in his plane and attempted to do a carrier landing on an IRS office? We gonna target the owners of those websites too?
    Funny how that works. If some Muslim nut comes over and stuffs a size eleven Nike down Palin’s over-active maw, ending her prattling nonsense for eternity, we are going to label him a terrorist. But we get to zap whomever we please, wherever we please, whenever we please, and we are labeled a “superpower”. And we can wrack up kills numbering in the hundreds of thousands.
    So Israel zaps an alleged boogie man, and we are up in arms about it?
    Yeah, we are gonna make a bigger fuss about this than we did about these murderous racist bastards dumping white phosphorous on Palestinian women and children??? Thats just plain bizarre.
    And meanwhile, Tristan Anderson is growing roots in a hospital bed, being the good little silent vegetable that Israel has made of him. We ought to tattoo his image on Hillary’s forehead. Maybe then she’d act like an American Secretary Of State.
    Heard an interesting thing about why Laos hasn’t caught up with its neighbors. Seems we dropped one point three MILLION tons of ordinance on Laos, one third of which didn’t detonate. Farmlands are STILL, to this day, dangerous to till. An average of twelve people a year are killed by ordinance dropped during the Viet Nam War. Gee, makes ya proud, don’t it??? You’d think we’d have teams over there, yesteryear, working to find and disarm this stuff. But, nope.
    Meanwhile, as the global community works to ban cluster munitions and land mines…..well…
    Anything for a buck, right?
    Something tells me this Dubai thing is a somewhat mundane Mossad operation. I mean, its not quite a trifecta, is it? One guy dead? Big deal. Anyone with half a brain knows that that’s small potatoes for Israel. Heck, they like MASS muslim casualties. Now, if they can somehow work this into a regional war, and use it as an excuse to incinerate a large quantity of those nasty heathen Muslims, thats a different story altogether.

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  24. Carroll says:

    Posted by OUtraged American, Feb 19 2010, 12:01AM – Link
    But Carroll, Alterman and Greenwald are on the United States’ side,
    not Israel’s, right?
    Limited hang-out doesn’t exist
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    No it doesn’t does it.
    I read several jewish bloggers and writers and etc. who are part of the “peace” movement….but with the exception of just one, none of them believe that they should give their alleigence to America. They think they as Jews are ‘entitled” to be an exception to the loyalty rule that every country on earth expects from it’s citizens.
    Their pitiful excuse is “what is good for Israel is good for America.”
    The bulk of Jews came to the US immediately after WWII and took the oath….”"”I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, …”..but they sure didn’t teach their children that did they? Quite the opposite.

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  25. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Poor Taylor. Once in a while she hits it out of the ballpark, and all her Marshmellows can invariably come up with is a long debate about “what might have been” had Hillary ascended to the throne, (always followed by a group hug).

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  26. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Your all a bunch of traitors,ass kissing, sworn enemies of your own country”
    Go screw yourself, Marcus.
    Preferably, in Israel.

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  27. OUtraged American says:

    But Carroll, Alterman and Greenwald are on the United States’ side,
    not Israel’s, right?
    Limited hang-out doesn’t exist.

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  28. Carroll says:

    Don….
    It’s gonna take a war with Iran…that would do it.
    Greenwald went on to say that there is “nothing wrong with this..per se”..just wrong to not talk about it.
    He thinks there is ‘nothing wrong with this? A US congress urging the US to war for the sake of another country that he is loyal to and on top of that, for a totally rouge state in violation of every law known to man. Greenwald need a mental adjustment.
    Here’s one for posterity also:…. Eric Alterman admitting it:
    http://www.momentmag.com/Exclusive/2010/2010-02/201002-Opinion-Alterman.htm
    “I’m perfectly happy to admit my own dual loyalty, as should any honest supporter of the Zionist project. After all, it’s impossible for Israel and the United States to have exactly the same interests all the time, and sometimes Israel’s well-being may have to take precedence.”
    Whew..I don’t if I would be writting this stuff if I were Alterman.
    One of these days boys and girls, one of these days..all this is coming home to roost.

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  29. DonS says:

    Carroll, I saw that Greenwald piece, and it reminded me of something I’d seen about a couple of congresscritters in Isreal a couple of days ago, doing the zionist dance.
    I don’t know what it will take to turn the corner on these dual loyalty traitors. If anything.

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  30. Carroll says:

    O.K…..now it’s well accepted that some congressmen and the jewish zionistas are working for Israel in the US government, not the US.
    So the next step is discussing what we are going to about them.
    Would I assassinate a congressman or several or more if it meant preventing another war and lost of more treasure and blood for US citizens?
    Probably.
    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/02/18/ackerman/index.html
    Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 09:19 EST
    What motivates Iran “hawk” Ackerman?
    By Glenn Greenwald
    (updated below)
    In 2008, the 13-term, AIPAC-supporting, Democratic Rep. Gary Ackerman co-sponsored a resolution along with GOP Rep. Mike Pence declaring Iran to be a threat to “the vital national security interests of the United States” and “demanding” that the President impose a full-scale naval, air and land blockade on Iran, i.e., start a war against that country (see the last WHEREAS clause, paragraph (3)). Ackerman — who also voted to authorize the war in Iraq — continues to this day to be one of the leading Democrats demanding what he calls “crippling sanctions” against Iran and insisting that President Obama be prepared to wage war against Iran if negotiations fail. Two weeks ago, Rep. Ackerman — standing in front of an Israeli and American flag — delivered a blistering 8-minute speech in Manhattan, in which he railed against the Goldstone Report, the Palestinians, the “Arab world,” the mere suggestion that Israel might be to blame for civilian deaths, and the threat posed to Israel from Iran (h/t New York Observer).
    Ackerman’s short speech is really worth watching, just to get a sense for what is driving a substantial part of the increasingly strident calls that the U.S. confront the Iranians. Just watch it and decide for yourself what his motivating views and concerns are, but as you formulate your assessment, you’d best keep in mind the stern warnings issued last week by Jonathan Chait and Jeffrey Goldberg: namely, the mere suggestion that some Americans favor U.S. aggression in the Muslim world due to concerns about Israel, rather than the U.S., has a “revolting provenance” that “should disgust all thinking people.” Thus, while quasi-clearing Andrew Sullivan of anti-semitism charges, they warned all of us that one had better be extremely careful in how one discusses such matters (as Sullivan failed to do) lest one be justifiably (even if wrongly) accused of anti-Semitism — or, as Eric Alterman deftly summarized Chait’s warnings: “Andrew may not be an anti-Semite but anyone who is concerned with the Israel’s lobby’s ability to thwart the peace process or interfere with the conduct of a sensible policy toward the region is guilty of holding an idea of ‘revolting provenance’ and hence, is only asking to be described this way, true or not . . . if you, yourself find any cause for concern in the actions of the Israel lobby, prepare to find yourself similarly smeared”:
    There are several noteworthy aspects to his remarks: his view that Israel’s military superiority is due both to God’s will and the generosity of “Uncle Sam”; his argument that the U.S. should view the Goldstone Report as dangerous to its interests because “on any given month during the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan and Pakistan, in one month probably more innocent civilians are killed by American troops — unintended consequences — than in the whole Gaza incursion” and that accepting the Goldstone Report would therefore mean that American troops and political leaders will end up before the Hague on war crimes charges (which is almost certainly one of the reasons that the Obama administration has continued Bush’s unyielding refusal to join the International Criminal Court — once a source of controversy among Democrats (when Bush did it)); the standard self-absorbed tribalism pervading most political disputes (my group is blameless but so unfairly persecuted); the endless Orwellian semantics (no matter who the aggressor is, anyone who fights against my side is a Terrorist); the attempts to blame Obama’s “unrealistic” anti-settlement position for the lack of peace negotiations; and his seemingly unintentional copying of Donald Rumsfeld’s notorious phrase to dismiss the horrific human devastation caused by the Israelis in Gaza: “stuff happens when you’re fighting Terrorists; blame the Terrorists, don’t blame the Israelis.”
    But whatever else is true, once one listens to this, it’s simply impossible to deny that this highly influential American Congressman, devoted to pushing the U.S. to war with Iran, is driven, at least in substantial part, by his fervent devotion to Israel.”

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  31. Neo Controll says:

    marcus, you are setting yourself up for one of Steve’s patented warnings to bring up the level of your drivel, or move on.
    – NCHQ

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  32. Carroll says:

    …..”but perhaps it is time that we removed the American veto on someone like French national security adviser to Nicolas Sarkozy, Jean-David Levitte, from meeting and discussing terms with Hamas and how paralysis in the region might be broken. …”
    The Israeli problem should be subcontracted to the UN…that’s where it started.
    And the UN should charge Britian hefty fee for it’s solutions’s implementation since Britian dumped the zionistas problem on the UN to begin with.

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  33. Mr.Murder says:

    The UK was not surprised, these same elements pushed the Niger forgery.

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  34. Mr.Murder says:

    Not unlike the people who were filming and celebrating the collapse of the WTC on 9-11.

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  35. David says:

    Since it increases likelihood of terrorist attack in Britain, it just changed the UK/Israel dynamic. This was stupid on Israel’s part, but pride goeth before the fall, in this case myopic arrogance before the downward spiral. They have certainly given people reluctant in the past to challenge the status quo good reason to pull back from being Likud enablers.
    I have no idea how it will play out. Neither does Israel.

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  36. Tony Foresta says:

    Bravo Shin Bet!!! Nice clean work, and one less
    massmurderer on the planet. Of course exposing
    their identities is probably dangerous for those
    individuals now, – and they’ll be pushed
    underground, and the world has lost a proficient wet
    team, at least for a while, – but I trust that
    Israel has other squads on the clock.
    The more dead massmurderers, – the better for the
    rest of civilized humanity.

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  37. DonS says:

    ‘Is Steve a Humphrey Bogart fan?’ (wigwag)
    “U.K Foreign Minister David Milliband is outraged that forged British passports were used in the plot and promised to get to the bottom of things.” (Steve Clemons, Washington Note, December 18, 2010)
    “I am shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!” (Claude Rains playing Captain Renault in Casablanca; released January 23, 1943)
    The difference of course being Captain Renault was not only disingenuous but on the side of the ‘offenders’/resistance. We presume Milliband is pissed/and not a willing partner in the assassination, pre or post hoc.

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  38. Outraged American says:

    Wow-Wig is admitting that primarily Jewish neoconservatives
    control US foreign policy. QED from the Wig herself.
    POA, Carroll, easy e, Kathleen, Kathleen G-A, your work and mine
    is done. Thanks Wig!
    Keep an eye on that passport now, ya hear, Wig? Although if you’ve
    even stepped foot in The UnHoly Land, Israel’s got your passport
    number. “Right of return” or not, Wig, Israel might use it or you.
    Probably both.

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  39. nadine says:

    “Why this assassination matters so much…is that Israel and Hamas had been close to an extraordinary deal on prisoner swaps.” (Steve Clemons)
    This “closeness” has been reported dozens of times over the last few years…any evidence to indicate that’s it’s more real this time around?
    “Senior Israel government officials have reported to me that in the wake of Iranian domestic convulstions, Hamas has been trying to diversify its relationships and adjust its posture to potentially join a unity government in Palestine that could negotiate with Israel and various Arab and Western stakeholders in the region.”
    Oh really? Then why cannot Hamas “diversify” its position to form a unity government with Hamas, despite repeated mediation efforts by Egypt and Saudi Arabia? How many times have they tried and gotten nowhere? And now you are telling me that senior Israeli government officials believe it’s for real this time? Again, where is any sign of it?

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  40. WigWag says:

    Is Steve a Humphrey Bogart fan?
    “U.K Foreign Minister David Milliband is outraged that forged British passports were used in the plot and promised to get to the bottom of things.” (Steve Clemons, Washington Note, December 18, 2010)
    “I am shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!” (Claude Rains playing Captain Renault in Casablanca; released January 23, 1943)

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  41. Carroll says:

    Oh this is too funny!
    The Jewish fifth column in the US goes after the
    Iranian fifth column in the US with accusations of ‘dual loyalty’.
    http://www.lobelog.com/
    I am loving it. I have long been talking about the insanity of ‘dual countries, dual loyalties” people…i.e…other “real homeland”… citizens trying to control US policy towards their ‘foreign real homeland”.
    Hello?…any US Hatians who want to start a lobby so the Cuban lobby can accuse them of being “dual loyalist”?
    I have an idea, let’s just get the Saudis to buy out congress, the media, WS..they have more money then all the others, probably wouldn’t insist on any kickbacks or US foreign aid and we would have only one fifth column to watch.

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  42. Outraged American says:

    This also proves Israel will throw Jews under the bus to achieve
    her ends.
    Israel warns everyone else against harming Jews but then uses
    the identities of presumably innocent Israeli citizens in this
    assassination attempt, thereby putting those JEWS at
    considerable risk of retaliation.
    So when Israeli science and technology minister Daniel
    Herschkowitz, warns that, “anyone who lifts a hand
    against a Jew is putting his life on the line” is he talking about
    Netanyahu, who would have had to sign-off on this extra-
    judicial killing, again putting the lives of innocent Israelis
    fingered in the killing at risk?
    Talk about the left eating its own — the Zionists do it much
    better. Lodz ghetto, the Spanish Inquistion (book written about
    Jewish cooperation by Bibi’s father no less) and the
    concentration camp kapos, anyone?

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  43. jonst says:

    I hope some of things you speculate about might come to pass Steve. They’re a long shot. You know that. But not as much a long shot as Wig wishes they were. A bit of whistling past a graveyard perhaps, with his comments.
    But, the arrest warrant for Netanyahu is sweet enough for me. He will bluster, and threaten, and plead the ‘victim’ once again. It is what Netanyahu has always done. But if the warrant really has gone out…and if Interpol is really–really that is, not ‘pretend real’–going after the people pictured about it will be doubly sweet for me. Even if nothing else happens. But if all that comes to pass…some people will be defecating bricks.

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  44. Carroll says:

    It’s a pretty sure bet Israel was behind the assassination.
    Several years ago if I remember correctly some Israelis and a Israeli official were thrown out of New Zealand over fake NZ passports.
    Also in Canada for faking Canadian passports.
    I am against assassinations for the most part but since Israel considers them a tactic for war and politics then assassinating some of the uber zionist would be acceptable.
    What is it the ziocaines say…”Palestine never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity?”
    I’d say that Israel never misses an opportunity to stir more shit.

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  45. WigWag says:

    “Ironically, the assassination of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh — whose picture will no doubt be added now to a wall of pictured martyrs from the Hamas movement in the headquarters of Khaled Mashal (in fact the wall of martyrs is to my left in the video interview I did above with Khaled Mashal) –may create such international frustration with Israel for disrupting efforts at regional stabilization and negotiations that there may be a real push to now end the international isolation of Hamas.” (Steve Clemons)
    Yes, and maybe, the moon, lured out of its orbit by a strange and previously unknown new atmomic partile created accidentally by the Large Hadron Collidor in Geneva, will come crashing into the earth tomorrow afternoon.
    Or perhaps, Steve Clemons will decide that he’s not a realist after all, abandon his position at the New America Foundation, sell the Washington Note to the America Enterprise Institute and retire to an Ashram where he can mediate and chant for 12 hours a day.
    Or perhaps, President Obama, regretting his decision to fire Chas Freeman (which Steve assured us would never happen)will repent and make it up to Freeman by firing Secretary of State Clinton and offering Freeman her job.
    Or perhaps…
    Well, you get the idea.

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  46. Outraged American says:

    From an Israeli minster re: this, “Anyone who lifts a hand against
    a Jew is putting his life on the line.”
    Israeli science and technology minister Daniel Herschkowitz,
    quoted in the Jerusalem Post.
    So there you go – the goyim can expect endless chaos (read WW
    III) due to SOME (NOT ALL, nor even the majority!) of the Chose
    and their rabid exceptionalism.
    Full quote
    ‘My impression is that the Mossad knows how to get the job
    done, and it is a known thing that anyone who lifts a hand
    against a Jew is putting his life on the line.’
    Read more:
    http://tinyurl.com/yazrbhh

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