MEDIA NOTICE: Steve Clemons on Rachel Maddow at 9 pm

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Steve Clemons will be on Rachel Maddow’s show tonight, talking about the wave of protests and current situation in Egypt and the Middle East.

– Andrew Lebovich

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61 comments on “MEDIA NOTICE: Steve Clemons on Rachel Maddow at 9 pm

  1. Don Bacon says:

    Obama now likes “Transitions” in Afghanistan and in Egypt. It sounds so much better than “Change,” a word which thanks to Obama has lost value.

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  2. Carroll says:

    JamesL is right…Gibbs will be saying ‘when O says change now he means change yesterday!’ every day for days and days and days…while Egypt slips away. President Postpone is such a through little academic, he wants to study it and do lunch meetings to talk about it with his advisors and parse all the contingencies and try to get all our other autocract ruler buddies to agree on a course of action or no action till it’s all over and he doesn’t have to do anything.
    http://www.newsweek.com/2011/01/28/egypt-protests-show-american-foreign-policy-folly.print.html
    American Folly
    Events have moved quickly since then President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali of Tunisia has been overthrown, Hezbollah has chosen the new prime minister of Lebanon and thousands have taken to the streets in Egypt to demand an end to Hosni Mubarak

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  3. Carroll says:

    Lock this guy up too. Does he have a wife? If so maybe we can bribe her to have him committed.
    Glenn Beck: Left, Code Pink Caused Egyptian Upheaval
    Michelle Goldberg, The Daily Beast
    Glenn Beck sayeth: “We’ve shown you tonight that Hamas, Code Pink” – the feminist anti-war group -and the Muslim Brotherhood are all linked
    together.”
    http://www.readersupportednews.org/off-site-opinion-section/72-72/4824-glenn-beck-left-code-pink-caused-egyptian-upheaval

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  4. Carroll says:

    What would I do if I was president right now?
    Mubarak has family outside of Egypt, …his wife and son are in London…snatch their asses and dump them in Gitmo and tell Mubarak that’s where they will rot as long he stays in Egypt…..it’s not like we have any gd scruples or care about the law or individual rights anyway…..so why pretend in this case?..do whatever it takes to get him out.
    That…is exactly what I would do. Mubarak wants to get tough? Up the anty on him.
    Any rumors of kidnapping can always be spun off for the world public as protective custody for our friend’s family.

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  5. Don Bacon says:

    Why the weak bleatings from Obama?
    One possibility is that the ex-CIA insider and old friend of Mubarak, Frank Wisner, was sent to Cairo to give the green light for thuggery against the demonstrators during the private meeting that Wisner had with Mubarak. No need to bother the US ambassador Margaret Scobey with such sensitive trivialities. It sends a clear message to other US allies in the Arab world and sustains what’s left of Obama’s creds with Israel — that’s important with an election coming up next year.

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  6. JamesL says:

    >then what does Obama do after Mubrarak just says, “Screw you, America. We don’t need your stinking aid.” Or what do they do if he steps down but just hands the government over to Suleiman? Or engineers his son into power, or some other DNC thugmaster?
    Which guys in the army get to stay? And which ones have to go with Mubarak? Who flies Mubarak out of the country, and where does he seek exile?
    You’re mixing me up with JohnH, but he’s shorter than me, has a deeper voice, sings off key but can drink more beer than I can.
    Yeah all that could happen, but most of it could be largely dulled by stating that only neutral functionaries be used as replacements. Mubarak’s not in danger as long as he gets gone. I hear they got those cute little teeny islands over in the blue waters near Qatar or UAE that prices are down on. He could get a good buy. What’s the army or air force gong to do? Elect their own guy? The point is if Obama doesn’t get his face (not a minion’s) in front of a camera very soon and say that killing your own people so you can stay in power will guarentee not just a public promise of fuinding cuts maybe, somewhere, sometime blah blah, but action against you by us. Obama has a short time to get this done, and then the opportunity will be gone and it won’t come back and he’ll wear the red C for bloody Cairo’s square around his neck into eternity. Of course there is that other reality of the I’s shooting Gazans like buffalo and might seem pretty hypocritical for Obama to press Mubarak and not mention the I word. But hey, you gotta start somewhere and it may make you twenty or forty million new Muslim friends who have oil in their backyards, whereas there won’t be any fewer pins stuck in O’s kupie doll in the land of I no matter what he does. Like Dorothy, you may have to say Tianamin seven times real fast while clicking your heels together in order to be transported out of dictatorland. But I’ve done it and it works.

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  7. Paul Norheim says:

    A new “Tear down that wall” moment may be emotionally
    satisfying for Americans disgusted by US support for Arab
    autocrats during the last 30 years or more, but it may fall
    flat in the DNC headquarters and ignite the rest of the
    Middle East into an incontrollable fire.
    After the fall of the Berlin wall, there was tight cooperation
    between Gorbachev, German Kansler Kohl, and President
    Bush. As well as some sheer luck.
    Who is going to cooperate with Obama if you have
    simultaneous revolutions in a handful of Middle East
    countries. Erdogan? Abdullah of Saudi Arabia? Medvedev?
    Sarkozy?
    Perhaps, but the options seem more limited, and the
    outcome highly unpredictable. But I do think Steve is right
    when he says to Maddow that Obama will use stronger
    words in the coming days.

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  8. Dan Kervick says:

    John L … and then what does Obama do after Mubrarak just says, “Screw you, America. We don’t need your stinking aid.” Or what do they do if he steps down but just hands the government over to Suleiman? Or engineers his son into power, or some other DNC thugmaster?
    Which guys in the army get to stay? And which ones have to go with Mubarak? Who flies Mubarak out of the country, and where does he seek exile?

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  9. Carroll says:

    This is petty of me but does that Richard Engle guy on MSNBC have a speech impediment? I thought it might be the mikes but Brian didn’t have that sound–sounds like his tongue is two sizes too large in his mouth and his speech is mush.

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    • Ray Munson says:

      I’ve never noticed Richard Engel having a speech impediment, but in a recent report of his it was so pronounced that I wondered if he had dental work done right before he went on-air.

  10. Dan Kervick says:

    Steve finally made it onto Maddow just before 12:00.

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  11. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “He is actually threatening a stop to aid”
    After the fact. His speech made no such threat. In fact, it contained NO threats, NO incentive, NO strength.

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  12. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Is it even certain that the violence is by “pro-Mubarak” forces? The situation is chaotic, all the prisons were just forcibly broken open. It could be pro-Mubarak forces, it could be Muslim Brotherhood forces, it could be army or security forces acting on their own initiative, it could be criminals, or it could be a mix of one or more. Nobody knows, everybody is guessing”
    She’s getting back on her game. Its not ad hominem to call her a piece of shit, its just an astute observation.

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  13. JamesL says:

    Mister Mubarak. You have been an ally of the US for three decades. But your people have now spoken with a loud and united voice that your time as leader is done. America and this administration agrees that the voice of the people is a greater voice than any one man, even a leader. Unimpeded by violence, those protestors would stay until you left office. Unless you compel your forces to cease violence and immediately institute protection and care for the demonstrators who have called for your departure, the US will cease all manner of support for your administration as of 8AM tomorrow morning. I expect a neutral caretaker, not currently in your administration, to be appointed tomorrow to take your position to ensure fast and accurate elections. I will call you at 8:05 tomorrow morning to hear your decision.
    What do you suggest Dan? Waiting for more guns to be brought to bear? How does a regional perception of an American backed Tianamin Square sound to you you?

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  14. Paul Norheim says:

    “Obama did have some leverage. He could have threatened
    sanctions, he could have threatened a stop to aid…”
    He is actually threatening a stop to aid. From the NYT article
    I linked to:
    “Gibbs once again raising the specter of a cutoff of
    American aid to the Mubarak government if the Egyptian
    president failed to bend.”

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  15. Carroll says:

    What happened to Steve’s appearence?…I am gonna have to give up, it’s 11:30 and I’ve been waiting since 9 thinking they were cut back to the regular show at any time…3 hours of TV yad,yada, is too much for me.

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  16. PissedOffAmerican says:

    The problem is that Obama has already shown himself as weak and toothless in his dealings with Netanyahu.
    And his speech, demanding “transition has to begin now” was mincing and ineffective.
    Further, he has said NOTHING to counter the Israeli rhetoric that has been supportive of Mubarak. Mubarak observed Obama’s cowardice in dealing with Netanyahu. So why should he worry that Obama will show courage in the face of Netanyahu’s support of Mubarak?
    Obama did have some leverage. He could have threatened sanctions, he could have threatened a stop to aid, and he could have threatened to seek Mubarak’s prosecution before the Hague should Mubarak embark on a path of violent suppression of peaceful protest.
    Instead, he assumed his usual glib and meaningless politispeak blather, presenting us with four and one half minutes of hot air.

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  17. Dan Kervick says:

    James L,
    Explain what you would do right now if you are sitting in the US President’s chair.

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  18. JamesL says:

    Paul 11:17; Gibbs? Gibbs??? Gee whiz, I’m sure Mubarak is shaking in his boots about Gibbs.

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  19. JamesL says:

    Into labels now are we Dan? Nothing else to add except to call me a ninny? My little timeline IS what has been going on. And despite all those important, high level, President- to-President backchannel confabs, it appears the kill rate is increasing. Talk about the kill rate Dan. That’s what’s important. I remember the Cuban Missile Crisis. With the US now apparently coming up short in efforts to spin yet another longstanding dictator friend of the US into something sweet smelling, I’m beginning to feel that without something more idealistically muscular from the US, the fallout from past US allegiences to repressive dictators is going to see the entire region turn septic, in an I don’t trust you any more sort of way toward good ol’ America. Nineteen Sixty has never seemed so close.
    No Paul, I wouldn’t want make up anything this sick.

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  20. nadine says:

    Notice how Obama is much more definite condemning Mubarak, an ally, than he ever was condemning Ahdedinejad, an enemy?
    Is it even certain that the violence is by “pro-Mubarak” forces? The situation is chaotic, all the prisons were just forcibly broken open. It could be pro-Mubarak forces, it could be Muslim Brotherhood forces, it could be army or security forces acting on their own initiative, it could be criminals, or it could be a mix of one or more. Nobody knows, everybody is guessing.

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  21. Dan Kervick says:

    Human Rights Watch calls on Obama adminsitration to cut off military aid to Egypt. Also calling on the Palestinian Authority to stop attacks on demonstrators holding sympathetic rallies in support of anti-Mubarak Egyptian demonstrations.

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  22. Paul Norheim says:

    “WASHINGTON

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  23. Paul Norheim says:

    “In a recap on this tenth day of Egyptian protest, leaders from around the world are giving thanks
    tonite that the violent protests in Egypt have ceased. Egyptian demonstators are now peacefully
    returning to their homes waving Mubarak signs. The few radical Islamist elements who wre the
    instigators have been rounded up and will be given a fair trial, said President for Life Mubarak.”
    Is this a draft from a satirical novel, James?

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  24. samuelburke says:

    “Unfortunately, reality intrudes.”
    Nadine, create your own reality like that infamous Bush official
    claimed that you neocons could do.
    such creative powers…almost godlike, very impressive.

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  25. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “I wonder why the pro-Israel crowd at TWN has been so quiet recently”
    Well, Pearlman has the remarkable ability to type blindly with his head in his ass, so he’s still with us. But I imagine Wiggie is trying desperately to catch her breath, choking on the docile irrelevence of the Arab Street.
    Nadine’s meager contributions can be attributed to her reluctance to adlib, prefering instead to wait for the official zioganda version of events, which are very close to being fit for widespread distribution to the ignoranuses of the Fox News persuasion.
    “There is heavy gunfire at Tahrir square right now….”
    How ’bout that Obama, eh??? He’s really got Mubarak on the run now!!!
    Perhaps he forgot to tell Mubarak what to transition to.

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  26. Dan Kervick says:

    Sorry James L, but you are simply not paying attention and our lost inside you own conspiratorial and paranoid fantasies.

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  27. JamesL says:

    Thank you JohnH. But I was actually channeling Bush the Lesser and using an Obama sock puppet to work on my phrasing. Glad it worked out for you though.

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  28. Dan Kervick says:

    There is a very heartbreaking interview occurring right now with a woman in Tahrir Square named Mona Seif. Contrary to the reports on MS-NBC, whose reporters keep saying the gunfire is only the military firing crowd control rounds into the air, she says the gunfire is being directed by pro-Mubarak thugs down into the square, and that she has seen a number of people shot.

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  29. JohnH says:

    I’d say JamesL channels Obama pretty well.

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  30. Paul Norheim says:

    There is heavy gunfire at Tahrir square right now – while
    the rest of the Arab world is sleeping…

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  31. nadine says:

    “I wonder why the pro-Israel crowd at TWN has been so quiet recently. Perhaps they are moving away from the neocon pro-democracy position they claimed to support? ” (Paul Norheim)
    Perhaps because they think revolutions in a country that a few weeks ago was convinced that the Mossad was planting the sharks off Sharm-el-Sheik are not very likely to wind up with a stable, liberal democracy. Hey, if this was a push by a large, well-established Egyptian democratic opposition party, I’d be all for it. Unfortunately, reality intrudes.
    “Israel can

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  32. JamesL says:

    >Dan . . .still waiting. . . about to bleed out . . . .
    Others bleeding for real now too. First: check all protestor weapons at the door. Obama on the phone. World leaders: No violence blah blah. Second: Lull protestors into a feeling of solidarity with Army types who pledge never to leave them. Obama in a meeting. World leaders: No violence blah blah. Third: Army slinks away. Obama on the phone. World leaders: No violence blah blah. Fourth: Brown shirts arrive and cordon off square. Obama on Blackberry. World leaders: No violence and we really mean it blah blah. Fifth: Brown shirts with sticks arrive and start beating people. Obama on phone. World leaders: Really mean it. Sixth: Brownshirts on camels wearing brown jerseys arrive and charge protestors. Obama in important meeting. World leaders: No blah Violence blah static “Cap’n I canna hearrrr ya!” Seventh: Army stays away, busiy looting. Brownshirts start firing guns killing protestors. Obama gives interview. no violence blah blah. World leaders. No violence…really mean it…That wasn’t too good; give me another take. Eighth: Army arrives wearing MB costumes, cordons area, shoots protestors with machine guns. Obama on phone: No violence, really mean it. World leaders: mumfl mumfls blrdagbachep.
    In a recap on this tenth day of Egyptian protest, leaders from around the world are giving thanks tonite that the violent protests in Egypt have ceased. Egyptian demonstators are now peacefully returning to their homes waving Mubarak signs. The few radical Islamist elements who wre the instigators have been rounded up and will be given a fair trial, said President for Life Mubarak.
    In other news, Haifa, which yesterday appeared to be smoking ruin from damage suffered in Israel’s lightning Sixteen Hour War with Turkey over Turkey’s support of the radical Islamist perpetrators of Egyptian uprising, today showed signs of life with street vendors in abundance and NATO emergency supply helicopters offloading food and fuel. Officials have announced that radiation tests show safe levels, and will do so as long as the winds remain easterly.
    And finally, in a phone call this morning,. Presdient Obama today congratulated Middle East leaders today for forging a consensus which has led, in the Presidents words, to a “greater security for all peoples who hold the hope of Freedom high.”

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  33. Paul Norheim says:

    I wonder why the pro-Israel crowd at TWN has been so quiet recently. Perhaps they are moving away from the
    neocon pro-democracy position they claimed to support? Or perhaps they’ve quietly sympathized with the
    autocrats all the time? May we assume that they are less inspired by the neocon democracy crusade than by the
    position expressed in Jeane K. Kirkpatrick’s classic essay from 1979?
    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/dictatorships–double-standards-6189?page=all

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  34. DonS says:

    Dan . . .still waiting. . . about to bleed out . . . .

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  35. Bill Pearlman says:

    Mubarak is a career military guy who was siting three seats away from Sadat when the peaceful happy go lucky guys from the muslim brotherhood ventilated him full of holes. What makes you people think he is going to dry up and blow away because the community organizer wants him too. Btw you have yo admire the “old school” panache of the camel charge

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  36. Dan Kervick says:

    Well, I just watched the interminable Maddow intro, and I’m about ready to shoot myself. Hopefully Steve will show up soon.

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  37. samuelburke says:

    excellent observations made by Mustafa El-Gindy…the tide is
    rolling in…get on the right side of history.
    “we can not see our brother in palestine killed everyday in front of
    our eye and turn our head, no, this will not happen because in
    democracy these things do not happen, because in democracy
    values and ethics are very important, then maybe this will bring
    peace between the two nations if egypt stop sometime israel of
    doing mistakes.” Mustafa El-Gindy.
    Come on Steve.

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  38. JamesL says:

    >It’s pretty obvious that there are intense >negotiations going on now, involving several >capitals, trying to get Mubarak to step down.
    It’s not obvious to me. Nothing backchannel is obvious. Any “obviousness” is an assumption rational people have about how they hope governments would work. Rational people have been disappointed a lot in the recent past assuming one thing and finding later how wrong they were. If Obama prefers to work behind the scenes, any positive influence he has is going to stay behind the scenes. He needs some on-camera success.

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  39. Paul Norheim says:

    Sorry, wrong link:
    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/02/triumph-and-agony-in-egypt/
    BTW, it’s a refreshing experience to quote people like Brooks and Abrams approvingly…
    It will be fun to watch the split among neocons in the coming months.

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  40. Paul Norheim says:

    David Brooks in the NYT:
    “Israel can

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  41. Dan Kervick says:

    What is it you guys are expecting to happen? It’s pretty obvious that there are intense negotiations going on now, involving several capitals, trying to get Mubarak to step down. Calls from Gates to the Egyptian defense minister; King Abdullah involved; European statements more strident. Obama has a meeting with McCain and McCain then immediately goes out and calls on Mubarak to step down. Read between the lines.

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  42. JamesL says:

    CNN with centrally stapled lips is using the Crossfire polarity action model. Main text: police are dressed and acting as thugs attacking demonstrators on orders from above. Last words: Mubarak is our father. The fair and balanced approach.
    A lot of early Americans wanted to keep the King too. Oops, shouldn’t have brought that up.
    http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/02/02/egypt.pro.mubarak/index.html

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  43. JamesL says:

    POA’s put it best at this point.
    Yoo Hoo, Obama, wanna be the leader of the free world? Well, get on with it. This special offer ends tonite. New increased prices apply afterward.

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  44. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Don’t you ever get off the soapbox?”
    Nope. In fact, right now, as we speak, I’m having a bidet installed. The jacuzzi was completed last week.

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  45. Bill Pearlman says:

    Not often that you see a camel charge.

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  46. Dan Kervick says:

    Don’t you ever get off the soapbox?

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  47. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “The tweets coming from Tahrir are reporting tear gas being fired by the thugs, with many cars appearing reinforcing their numbers. Some people with medical supplies claim they are being prevented from entering the square. People in the square seem to be anticipating a major attack before dawn”
    Gee Dan, how’s that “transition has to begin now” demand workin’ out?
    Boy, Obama really showed them, didn’t he? Put the fear of God in that Mubarak fella, eh? Mubarak better watch out, or Obama will get REALLY tough with him, like he did with that Netanyahu guy.
    Anyone seen Clinton???
    Yoooo hooo, Hillllaaaaaary???

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  48. Dan Kervick says:

    John McCain calls on Mubarak to step down:
    http://thepage.time.com/2011/02/02/mccain-times-up-for-mubarak/

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  49. nadine says:

    “Can’t wait to hear you.
    Try to get her to talk less.” (Dan Kervick)
    Steve has many talents, but you’re asking for a miracle here.

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  50. Dan Kervick says:

    The tweets coming from Tahrir are reporting tear gas being fired by the thugs, with many cars appearing reinforcing their numbers. Some people with medical supplies claim they are being prevented from entering the square. People in the square seem to be anticipating a major attack before dawn.

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  51. Paul Norheim says:

    “In the past week, in an unusual show of boldness, thousands of young
    Sudanese, many responding to the Facebook call, have braved beatings and
    arrests to protest against their government. The parallels to Egypt and
    Tunisia are obvious

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  52. PissedOffAmerican says:

    As far as Steve being called upon to be tonight’s “foreign policy expert”, its heartening that Maddow’s producers invited him back after his egregious insinuation that Israel actually figures into the discussion.
    It will be interesting to see if he is allowed to use the “I” word tonight in his commentary, and if so, how he uses it.
    I imagine Rachel is on the edge of her seat, in eager anticipation of a murdered or maimed Egyptian that she can use to sow our admiration for her grave concern for human rights. To feel such admiration, one must simply consider Palestinians, (and any Americans that take up their cause), as less than human, therefore, voila, not deserving of human rights.
    Uh, is there any violent action against the Egyptian protesters being criticised by these oh-so-concerned-for-human-rights journalists that isn’t employed by the IDF, DAILY, against Palestinian protesters in the West Bank????
    Just askin’.

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  53. Dan Kervick says:

    It was just from Nicholas Kristoff’s Twitter feed.

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  54. questions says:

    Dan, if you find any more on that, please link!

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  55. rc says:

    The Noam Chomsky interview on Democracy Now continues on You Tube
    http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2011/2/2/part_2_noam_chomsky_this_is_the_most_remarkable_regional_uprising_that_i_can_remember
    1st.
    “Noam Chomsky on Popular Uprisings in the Middle East. An Extended Interview on Democracy Now! 1 of 6″
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo9WFer1nyo&feature=player_embedded
    Includes segment on Dwight Eisenhower’s speech on Military Industrial Complex.

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