More on Condoleezza Rice – Grover Norquist Group Meeting

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The first question Condoleezza Rice received at the meeting was one about her “political future.” She responded by saying that she was not interested in more government service at this point — that she wanted to return to California and write a book that reflected on her time and work in the Bush administration. So, she is telegraphing a “no” about the possibility of a Vice Presidential possibility.
Others still argue that one does not talk serious foreign policy matters with the Wednesday Group Meeting without wanting to also telegraph that one might be interested in political futures. In other words, though saying she is not interested in the Vice Presidential slot on a McCain ticket, Condoleezza Rice might be convinced at some point to give up her near California dreams if “necessity” required it.
I won’t go into more of what she said in the meeting — but can say that she gave a tour de force discussion of America’s global foreign policy and national security positions. She talked about everything from North Korea to China to Iran to Iraq to Israel/Palestine. She talked about military-sculpted policies and diplomatic-sculpted policies.
And by all accounts I have heard, her performance was stunningly good, very well received by one of the major bastions of American conservative power players, and that she “won them over,” according to one source.
She spoke for 20 minutes and stayed there for 50. She took lots of questions — and left no one with the impression that this was just about selling President Bush’s next nine months in the foreign policy game.
– Steve Clemons

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35 comments on “More on Condoleezza Rice – Grover Norquist Group Meeting

  1. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Don’t worry about it Kathleen. If you read the two Rice threads, you find no substantive reasons for their support of Rice. The “case” is “closed” to these idiots because they don’t dare open it.

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  2. Kathleen says:

    Toad…CASE ClOSED so don’t try to open it?? Says who, you??? And what’s with the “boy” stuff? The Infant Terrible parking his butt in the Oval Office needs his diaper changed.

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  3. Toad says:

    Dr. Rice is well versed on many topics and very well spoken. It appears that this room is filled with Obama apologists who think that every bodily function he has is cause for celebration.
    Before Obamanation gets carried away, it should be noted that this boy does not have the requisite experience to sit in the big boy chair – at least not yet. He should go back to the senate and actually accomplish something of note before he runs again. CASE CLOSED (so don’t try to open itP.

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  4. harry damon says:

    Obama Hussein’s pastor is a hypocrite to take the name of the
    Lord in vain against Christian teaching of the Ten
    Commandments.

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  5. Bartolo says:

    Steve, did you think this was April 1st??
    Rice is generally believed to have been weak in both positions under Bush. The possibility of her replacing McCain upon his probable death while in office is scary.

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  6. jon says:

    I certainly hope that Condi is the Republican VP nominee. That
    will mean that all the racist Republicans will sit out the election.
    Kiss the Southern Strategy goodbye. Such a gift!
    Aside from that, Condi was the worst National Security ADvisor
    the US has had, and probably the worst Secretary of State. What
    has she actually accomplished in the office? I can’t think of a
    single project, initiative, treaty or accord that she has put
    through successfully.
    She is building the world’s largest death star (oops, I mean
    embassy), which is riddled with flaws.
    But really, she’s driven qualified people from State, she can’t fill
    postings, and she can’t shut up John Bolton. Worst of all, she
    has not been able to edumacate Bush about any foreign policy
    or national defense issues, with any perceptible success.
    I say, Bring Her On!

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  7. bob h says:

    Apparently her history of incompetence in previous positions and the train of destruction she has left in her wake are of little concern to these people.
    McCain’s advanced age and history of health problems make the VP choice especially critical. Remember, Presidential years are like dog years, and I would be surprised if the geezer made it through two terms.

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  8. JohnH says:

    DonS–Excellent point. Tier 1 is a closed club, including media people who are tasked with explaining the world to mere mortals. However, public discussion is strictly bounded. No questions are allowed about US goals and ambitions for Iraq, Iran, etc. No discussion about securing energy assets and distribution routes. Certainly no clarification of what are labeled “vital strategic interests.” No discussion of bloated “defense” budgets. Little discussion of the possibility that enemies, such as Iran, Iraqis, Hamas and Hezbollah have legitimate grievances and aspirations, or may be led by rational thinking individuals. Pulverizing a nation is called “bringing democracy.” Selling off a nation’s crown jewels to foreign investors is called [economic] “freedom.” The club of self-anointed foreign policy experts tacitly understand each other and respect their mutual code of silence.
    The allowable discussions revolve around tactics and personalities: how best to accomplish the unspoken agenda. More diplomacy? More carrots? More sticks? What pretenses should be used to generate public support?
    Then there are the rest of us, who see what’s going on, are appalled by it, and see no reason to respect a bunch of arrogant insiders who have no respect for Americans. Time for a purge!

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  9. barrisj says:

    Rice was an unqualified disaster as NS Advisor, by ALL accounts, insiders and outsiders alike…a HUGE failure in her principal mission to serve as a aggregator of policy positions and synthesise credible options for Bush. Her performance as SecState, certainly throughout the Middle East, continues to be viewed as hopelessly inept, always seemingly playing a trump card without any authority behind it. Her “Birth pangs of a new Middle East” remark during the brutal Israeli bombing of Lebanon last summer shall forever remain her epithet, and let us not forget her signing off of the Eliot Abrams/Keith Drayton machinations to arm Fatah against Hamas and create the civil war that only benefited Israel, and that has prolonged the suffering and misery of several million Palestinians.
    On a Condi Rice thread at The Agonist blog some time ago, I suggested that an ideal role for Rice would be president of a small black college in the South, and I’ve seen nothing that tells me she is fit for anything above that.

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  10. Spunkmeyer says:

    Perhaps this appearance by her is akin to Al Gore’s concession
    speech in 2000, which many thought to be his best speech of the
    election cycle.
    There is little, if anything, of Condi Rice’s past performance and
    history in the White House, to indicate to me she is qualified to
    do much more than be an Assistant Manager of a Waffle House,
    or perhaps Provost at Pepperdine University.

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  11. DonS says:

    There is an, at least, two-tiered meta discussion going on here. And, I think, Steve enjoys dialing in the various reactions.
    On the one hand, there are the “pragmatist”/realists who recognize that, basically, the power players are holding most of the cards and therefore the discussion is about being part of the system.
    And then there are those of us, realistic enough to recognize that pragmatic, albeit really morally dysfunctional world, but unwilling to just acquiesce to its primacy, its corruptnees, vacuity, and self-delusion.
    Condi, par excellance, lives the first world dream.
    Steve, except when his moral outrage overtakes his proper demeanor, leaves it an open question for tier one and tier two to fill in the blanks for the reading voyeurs.

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  12. gypsy howell says:

    This post is a joke, right? I mean, really. Condi?? Tour de force?
    A stunningly good performance?
    This woman is responsible for the complete wreckage of our
    foreign policy. She was on watch for the worst terrorist attack on
    US soil. She’s part of the criminal debacle of Iraq, arguably the
    greatest foreign policy disaster in our history.
    Steve, I don’t always agree with you on every particular, but I
    thought we were at least on the same planet. Perhaps not.

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  13. ToddinHB says:

    I can’t believe you wrote this:
    “And by all accounts I have heard, her performance was stunningly good, very well received by one of the major bastions of American conservative power players, and that she “won them over,” according to one source”
    That’s like complimenting Nero on his violin playing while Rome burns. Too bad Condi couldn’t translate her oratorical skills into some semblance of real progress on the international scene. Quite the opposite, in fact…

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  14. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Steve has some odd sources or maybe he has an agenda…”
    Steve’s always been kinda clappy for Condi.
    Its an enigma, because 98% of the rest of his commentary would seem to indicate he has a brain.

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  15. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Can anyone name one thing that she has actually accomplished in either position?”
    Well, she helped bring down the towers, if only by malfeasance. And, she has no shortage of footware.

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  16. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Well, she would serve as a nice contrast to that racist Marxist Obama. At least she doesn’t hate her own country. That’s a plus in my book”
    At last.
    Finally we are getting some posters that are indicative of how effin’ stupid you have to be to listen to Rush Limbaugh or Fox News.

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  17. lisaismad says:

    Rice will go down in history as one of the worst NSA’s and Secretary of State’s in history. Can anyone name one thing that she has actually accomplished in either position? She is totally in over her head, and relies on “friendships” with powerful men to get where she is.

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  18. ManagedChaos says:

    “Well, she would serve as a nice contrast to that racist Marxist Obama. At least she doesn’t hate her own country. That’s a plus in my book.”
    That’s right, Kinda-sleezy doesn’t hate her own country so much that she was willing lie to the American people about 9/11.
    “I don’t think anybody could have predicted … that they would try to use an airplane as a missile,” Rice said then. “Had this president known a plane would be used as a missile, he would have acted on it.”
    Not only was Kinda-sleezy incompetent as a National Security Advisor, she was an incompetent LIAR!
    Project Bojinka was a large-scale terrorist plot planned by Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed to hijack multiple planes and get ready for this….use them as missiles. This goes back to 1995 so don’t give me this bullshit about nobody could have predicted. And as far as the President acting on it, he already knew before he got to his photo op on 9/11 at the elementary school that planes were being used as missiles yet decided to place a whole school full of children at risk when at that time the FAA thought there were at least 10 planes hijacked all over the country. Bush was so confident he wasn’t a target that day, he was willing to sacrifice a school full of children to prove that. Next time you’re around the President, I dare you to fart and we’ll see how fast the Secret Service removes him from the area.
    I don’t think anybody could have predicted Kinda-sleezy Rice would be so fucking incompetent!!

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  19. Quillen says:

    Funny thing, but I spoke to two people who were at the meeting and both said that she came across as an airhead with nice legs who was pumping out familiar bromides. Steve has some odd sources or maybe he has an agenda…

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  20. jim says:

    Well, she would serve as a nice contrast to that racist Marxist Obama. At least she doesn’t hate her own country. That’s a plus in my book.

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  21. Mike Claussen says:

    I am so relieved that Condi has left the good old boys with some warm fuzzies. I can only dream that one day the whole bunch can gather in the prison cafeteria to reflect on their careers in crime.

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  22. TallDave says:

    She’s probably not interested, but it’s fun to see how upset the lefties get at the notion.

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  23. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “And by all accounts I have heard, her performance was stunningly good, very well received by one of the major bastions of American conservative power players, and that she “won them over,” according to one source”
    ROFLMAO!!!!
    Well, perhaps these jackasses should look at the state of or current condition as it applies to “foreign policies”, rather than what she says in front of a bunch of nodding “conservative power players” that have played no small part in “thinking” us into this unprecedented disaster in the Middle East.
    Condi Rice is an embarrassment, and should have been sent packing years ago.

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  24. Portland, Oregon says:

    Tells you how afraid the Repugnicans are of running against Obama that they’ll try to put Rice as the veep – she’s stained badly by the war and having never really accomplished anything in 8 years.
    Repugs must be desperate to find a counter to Obama and his cultural tidal wave. Last time I looked at any of McCains speeches, it’s always a bunch of old white dudes.
    Hurry, stick Condi Rice in there! See? We have diversity too!!! Really!!
    Bush PT 3, for real.

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  25. David says:

    What, not just one warmonger, but two?
    Who’s going to run the country here at home?
    How in Gods name are we going to pay for the ongoing war – the country is broke and we’ve maxed our credit limit. Deep in hock.
    C’mon, and the Repubs are going to put 2 pro-war people in?
    I gotta tell ya, those military contracts the American people have been sold out for must be awfully lucrative to keep this line going.

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  26. JohnH says:

    When a group of wingnuts credits somebody with a “gave a tour de force discussion of America’s global foreign policy and national security positions,” it can only mean one of two things (or perhaps both):
    1) The story was a real whopper (like mushroom clouds from Saddam)
    2) Any reality based person should be afraid, very afraid.
    We can probably expect a sanitized version of Condi’s warmongering any time now on “the news.” Meanwhile, the media systematically excludes anyone with an opposing view to the Occupation.
    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/25/war_opponents/index.html
    More reason for a purge of the foreign policy establishment.

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  27. Lisa says:

    I would love for Condi to run. She is a liability on the foreign policy front, supposedly McCain’s strong suit (ha). She was the incompetent NSA who failed to prevent the disaster that Iraq has become. She adds nothing on the economy, health care, education, immigration, or any other domestic issue. I doubt she would connect well with voters. How many voters can relate to a fifty-something African-American woman who plays chamber music, never married, has no kids, wears a size six, and likes hanging out with Dick Cheney?

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  28. Kathleen says:

    Speaking of saving spots on the ticket for oneself or one’s relatives…
    Hillary or Nobody?
    By MAUREEN DOWD
    Published: March 26, 2008
    WASHINGTON
    While the cool cat’s away, the Hillary mice will play.
    As Barack Obama was floating in the pool with his daughters the last few days in St. Thomas, some Clinton disciples were floating the idea of St. Hillary as his vice president.
    She can’t win without him, said one Hillary adviser, and he can’t win without her.
    They’re stuck with each other.
    It’s one of my favorite movie formulas, driving the dynamics in such classics as “A Few Good Men,” “The Big Easy” and “Guys and Dolls”: Charming, glib guy spars and quarrels with no-nonsense, driven girl, until they team up in the last reel. He spices up her life, and she stiffens his spine. And soon they hear the pitter-patter of little superdelegate feet, who are thrilled not to be pulled in two directions anymore.
    And everybody’s happy. Or are they?
    A couple of weeks ago, when Hill and Bill mentioned the possibility of a joint ticket, it was an attempt to undermine Obama and urge voters and superdelegates to put Hillary on top; the implication was that this was the only way Democrats could have both their stars, and besides, it was her turn. The precocious boy wonder had plenty of time.
    But with the math not in her favor, her options running out, Bill Richardson running out and her filigreed narrative of dodging bullets in Bosnia and securing peace in Northern Ireland unraveling, could Hillary actually think the vice presidency is the best she’ll do?
    One Hillary pal said she wouldn’t want to go back to a Senate full of lawmakers who’d abandoned her for Obama. And even if she could get to be majority leader, would it be much fun working with Nancy Pelosi, whose distaste for the Clintons has led her to subtly maneuver for Obama?
    Maybe The Terminator is thinking: if she could just get her pump in the door. Dick Cheney, after all, was able to run the White House and the world from the vice president’s residence, calling every shot while serving under a less experienced and younger president. And Observatory Circle is just up the street from where Hillary now lives.
    But, aside from Barack and Michelle Obama’s certain resistance, would it fly? Many Hillary voters are hardening against Obama, and more and more Obama fans are getting turned off by the idea of dragging down the Obama brand with Clinton dysfunction.
    “No drama, vote Obama” placards and T-shirts are popping up at Obama rallies, and one of his military advisers dubbed him “No Shock Barack.”
    It’s hard to imagine that after spending her whole life playing second-fiddle to a superstar pol, Hillary wants to do it again. She’s been vice president.
    Could the veep talk be a red herring? A ploy designed to distract attention from the Clintons’ real endgame?
    Even some Clinton loyalists are wondering aloud if the win-at-all-costs strategy of Hillary and Bill — which continued Tuesday when Hillary tried to drag Rev. Wright back into the spotlight — is designed to rough up Obama so badly and leave the party so riven that Obama will lose in November to John McCain.
    If McCain only served one term, Hillary would have one last shot. On Election Day in 2012, she’d be 65.
    Why else would Hillary suggest that McCain would be a better commander in chief than Obama, and why else would Bill imply that Obama was less patriotic — and attended by more static — than McCain?
    Why else would Phil Singer, a Hillary spokesman, say in a conference call with reporters on Tuesday that Obama was trying to disenfranchise the voters of Florida and Michigan. “When it comes to voting, Senator Obama has turned the audacity of hope into the audacity of nope,” he said, adding, “There’s a basic reality here, which is we could have avoided the entire George W. Bush presidency if we had counted votes in Florida.” So is Singer making the case that Obama is as anti-democratic as W. was when he snatched Florida from Al Gore?
    Some top Democrats are increasingly worried that the Clintons’ divide-and-conquer strategy is nihilistic: Hillary or no democrat.
    (Or, as one Democrat described it to ABC’s Jake Tapper: Hillary is going for “the Tonya Harding option” — if she can’t get the gold, kneecap her rival.)
    After all, the Clintons think of themselves as The Democratic Party. When Bill and Dick Morris triangulated during the first term, it was what was best for Bill, not the party. In 1996, when Bill turned the White House into Motel 1600 for fund-raisers, it was more about his re-election than the re-elections of his fellow Democrats in Congress; in 2000, the White House focused its energies more on Hillary’s Senate win than Al Gore’s presidential run.
    And even Clinton supporters know that Bill does not want to be replaced as the first black president, especially by a black president with enough magic to possibly eclipse him in the history books.

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  29. Crab Nebula says:

    Duh, maybe she just wants to stay on as Secy of State.
    Actually, Condi on the ticket hurts McCain….the racist vote will have nowhere to go.

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  30. Ben Rosengart says:

    Steve,
    Do you really credit this report of a masterful performance?
    Has Ms. Rice demonstrated a strong grasp of policy in her Bush
    Administration work thus far?

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  31. Doofus says:

    Vice Rice, eh? Well, they know they’ll be running against a minority, and to cancel this out, I guess they’d be going with a two-fer.
    I guess her knowledge of Soviet Russia will come in…han….wait, it’s 2008? Nevermind.

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  32. weldon berger says:

    Maybe she’s just sussing out her wingnut welfare prospects.

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  33. Kathleen says:

    Assuming we actually have another election, don’t be surprised if Darth Cheney has another little health event and resigns, so Condi can slip into the VEEP spot and actually rival McPain to the nomination, running as an incumbent. She more than McPain would be more likely to remember who’s her Daddy. It would be the best way to save the spot for Jebby in 2012 because Repugs are dead meat this time around.

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  34. nomad says:

    i would absolutly vote republican if condi runs for vice. there is no one that can compare to her abilities

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  35. wkmaier says:

    Another book by a Republican that will go straight to the remainder bin. Eh, whatever.
    In seriousness, I don’t think she helps MacDaddy much at all. In fact, if anything, she may make him look even older, if that’s possible, especially if she goes stalking about in thse Ferragamo Mistress boots. Whoops, guess I just got all unserious again.
    Sorry Steve!

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