New Year’s Resolutions

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Annie the Amazing Weimaraner’s resolution is to get even better at catching that tennis ball.
Oakley’s is to catch a squirrel. But he also thinks a duck would do. Just to be friends of course.
I have a few. Mine are to do what I can to redirect American’s foreign policy and international economic policy courses. To finally write a book on the grit and real politics of foreign policy. And to draw a lot more people into strategic activism.
I’m also planning to do a lot more running this year. And good blogging.
Happy New Year! I’ll be hanging out in Lahaina today for those in the neighborhood.
– Steve Clemons

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97 comments on “New Year’s Resolutions

  1. MP says:

    POA writes: “I see MP has dropped the facade, gone back to his winnipeger like demeaner. So much for his feigned, moderate mindset. (Ya know, ET, that I before E, except after C business is pure crap.) This MP more closely parrallels the MP that originally showed up here.”
    Sorry, it’s hard for me to remain moderate when anti-Semitism raises its ugly head. Especially when it’s masquerading as dah “facts.”

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  2. MP says:

    Carroll writes: “It’s the “facts” that set him aflame.”
    I’m glad you put “facts” in quotations–it saved me the trouble.
    You indeed bring some facts to the table, and I’m grateful for that. However, you bring only the facts you choose and not others. And your choice of facts and interpretation of those facts is highly biased. So, in the end, they fail to impress.

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  3. ET says:

    Morning Coffee:
    “Well, the true idea of democracy is that we learn from people with whom we don’t agree. Societies perish when they become afraid of differences of opinion. So it’s not personal with me.” (dear) Lewis Lapham

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  4. Winnipeger says:

    don’t worry, carroll, ignorance is bliss.

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  5. Carroll says:

    Ah, serenity…give me some serenity..I want some serenity..gimme, gimme some serenity.
    But unfortunately even though…”The woods are lovely, dark and deep, I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep..”

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  6. ET says:

    Tonight’s topic is serenity. Anyone care to share? Yes?
    Hi, I’m Ticia and I’m a Blogaholic.
    Hey, Tish.
    Hey. It’s my first hour of recovery and I want to say that, just for tonight, I am choosing not to surrender my serenity to the blogosphere. I am choosing to stay stepped-aside, so that I may not slip. That’s it.
    Thank you, Tish. :D
    … Grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change …

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  7. winnipeger says:

    btw, the only thing missing from poa’s 9:31pm post above, is a “na na na na na na” at the end.
    poa sounds like a child; complaining to his mommy about how the other kids are hurting his feelings. awww.
    the funny part is that this is the same idiot who has thrown more curse words and vile, angry rhetoric around than *all* other contributors combined.
    you’re going to lecture me about tone and civility, poa? go fuck yourself.

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  8. Carroll says:

    I await Steve’s comments on Negroponte becoming Condi’s second at State. The old hit man for our interest in Latin American and the hit man for the Israelis in Palestine.
    Never been so many old criminals gathered in any adm.

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  9. winnipeger says:

    give us a break, poa.
    i’m not “arvah,” although if you want to keep indulging your penchant for bullshit, conspiracy theories, be my guest.
    it sure as hell beats reading your asinine and yes, anti-semitic, tripe about “dancing israelis” on 9-11.

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  10. Pissed Off American says:

    BTW, “Arvah”, it doesn’t work. Winnipeger’s stench is not masked by a simple change of screen names.

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  11. Pissed Off American says:

    I see MP has dropped the facade, gone back to his winnipeger like demeaner. So much for his feigned, moderate mindset. (Ya know, ET, that I before E, except after C business is pure crap.) This MP more closely parrallels the MP that originally showed up here.
    And winnipeger has once again destroyed the discourse here with his slimey dissembling and purposeful agitating. Read the threads that this asshole winnipeger did not participate in. Notice the difference in tone and the civil exchange of information?
    And notice how winnipeger, when responding to Carroll, says that “nobody takes her seriously here”. Now, I ask you, is there REALLY anyone here, except MP, that wants this piece of shit winnipeger speaking for them?

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  12. winnipeger says:

    what are you trying to say, marky?

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  13. Marky says:

    If only all Israelis were as good neighbors as Baruch “Benny” Goldstein was.

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  14. Arvah says:

    I have been to Israel on an AIPAC sponsored junket and after experiencing first hand how the Israelis feel I was deeply moved and understand that Israel can never be a peace with the Palestinians and we need to find a way to transport them out of Judea and Samaria so they can start over and live their lives where they are welcomed by their own kind. I guess our county will need to pony up a great deal of money to grease the wheels and get them to vamoose, and we owe that at least to the Jewish people because of our neglect during the Holacaust. So let’s just get this done and we can relax for awhile without all this tension. Time heals all wounds and its time to cut out the tumour so that time can heal the wound, instead of dilly dallying the years away.

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  15. JUDITH HANEY says:

    Star Trek Alert:
    Winnie has taken his argument to places it has never been before.
    Yours for truth, harmony, and the American way,
    Bigot, Idiot, and All Around Motley Ass Crewperson
    (um…that’s Miss Bigot to you Winniepoop)

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  16. Marky says:

    Slightly OT, but a New Year’s change, perhaps.
    TWN has become my first blog stop in recent weeks. The best coffee is served here anymore.

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  17. winnipeger says:

    carroll,
    the reason that i “stalk” you (your word, not mine) is because you are an idiot who doesn’t know it. i simply cannot let your drivel go unanswered. it’s laughable, i know, and nobody takes it seriously, but i can’t help poking holes in your pathetic, little ballon.
    judith,
    you, my dear, are an idiot AND a bigot. i don’t want or need your sympathy. go sell your bullshit somewhere else and keep fanning the flames on your pipe dreams of israel disappearing.
    what a motley ass crue we have here.

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  18. pauline says:

    a special Keith Olbermann video yesterday on Bush and “sacrifice” and what sending a “surge” more of American troops to Iraq really means.
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16442767/

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  19. winnipeger says:

    so you’re saying that one cannot condemn an atrocity unless one has visited there. Say what???? winni, MP and other neocon trolls should crawl back into the sewer…..and stay.
    Posted by Easy E at January 3, 2007 04:50 PM
    of course not, EE, but i AM saying that those who haven’t visited israel, the occupied territories or the greater ME are at a *SIGNIFICANT* disadvantage when it comes to understanding the dynamics and the realities of the region.
    it’s so fucking american and entirely self-righteous to think that we know what the entire deal is in a region of the world in which we’ve never stepped foot.
    can anyone say iraq?

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  20. JUDITH HANEY says:

    Carroll writes: “It’s the “facts” that set him aflame.”
    Maybe it’s the facts but I also believe it is anyone who dares to express an opposite opinion and does not coddle and suck up to the Jews with heaps of sympathy, empathy, and pats on the head.
    Maybe Winnie is really a child who needs a pat on the head and is too immature to comprehend the facts. Facts are probably wasted on him.

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  21. Carroll says:

    Posted by Easy E at January 3, 2007 04:50 PM
    >>>>>>>
    Don’t worry Easy E, the reason winnie stalks me is that I actually do post the “facts”, along with citations, on which my opinions are based. I go to a lot of trouble to look for more than one source and multiple and diverse sources on each issue regarding Pal-Isr and deliberately do not use Palestine sources for info on Israel but use Israel’s own sites and news reports before reaching a opinion or conculsion…including a lot of jewish writers who are able to see the truth of what is going on in the US-Isr-Pal deal.
    It’s the “facts” that set him aflame.

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  22. Easy E says:

    winnipeger: “and she’s never even visited the middle east!!!!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    so you’re saying that one cannot condemn an atrocity unless one has visited there. Say what???? winni, MP and other neocon trolls should crawl back into the sewer…..and stay.

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  23. Mary Poppins says:

    Boys and Girls, cool it or you’ll be sent to bed with no dessert.

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  24. winnipeger says:

    c’mon folks, let’s call a spade a spade:
    carroll is an idiot.
    her posts should be taken with a grain of salt and an extra large bottle of purell.
    She claims to know all about one of the most complicated, nuanced and intractable problems of the 20th century.
    …AND, get this: she’s never even visited the middle east!!!! it’s impossible to grasp the complexity of the situation from a front porch in georgia. so much of what she and others “contribute” here is based on nothing but heresay. she’s never seen it. she’s never felt it. she’s never heard it.
    how american.

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  25. pauline says:

    . . .in the book, Ritter adds: “Let there be no doubt: If there is an American war with Iran, it is a war that was made in Israel and nowhere else.”
    Ritter’s book echoes recent high-profile attacks on the pro-Israel lobby by former President Jimmy Carter and by scholars Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer. Ritter, who recently returned from a weeklong speaking engagement on The Nation cruise, speaks of a “network of individuals” that pursues Israel’s interests in the United States. The former weapons inspector alleges that some of the pro-Israel lobby’s activities “can only be described as outright espionage and interference in domestic policies.” Ritter also accused the American Israel Public Affairs Committee of having an inherent dual loyalty. He called for the organization to be registered as a foreign agent.
    Representatives for both Aipac and the Israeli Embassy in Washington declined to comment on Ritter’s accusations.
    In his book, Ritter also accuses the pro-Israel lobby of invoking the memory of the Holocaust and of crying antisemitism whenever Israel is accused of betraying America. “This is a sickening and deeply disturbing trend that must end,” Ritter writes.
    http://www.forward.com/articles/book-israel-lobby-pushing-iran-war/

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  26. MP says:

    “MP speaks for himself and his own sickness, he does not speak for THE Jews.”
    I’ve never claimed to speak for “the Jews,” Carroll, only myself. I’m glad you speak only for your own sickness, too.
    As I’ve said repeatedly, many cries of anti-Semitism are wrong and misguided. But when they’re right, they’re right, and I have no problem pointing them out. I’m sure Tal wouldn’t mind.

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  27. MP says:

    Oh so true…but of you, Carroll.
    Here we have YOUR bottom line. Your real thesis when you get down to brass tacks.
    Israel doesn’t have a right to exist. It’s never wanted peace. It always lies. And it’s only about pushing out the “native” inhabitants. Those EVIL Israelis–and the Jews who love ‘em.
    Palestinians could have had a state in 1948. The Palestinians could have had a state on the West Bank and Gaza if Jordan and Egypt had been willing. The Palestinians could have had a state with Bill Clinton. The only thing Palestinians couldn’t have is all the land–it wasn’t theirs.
    The very fact that they only agreed to partition 1988–40 years late–only shows how much Palestinians themselves have contributed to the lack of a solution. The fact that the Arab nations took until 2002–54 years late–to end the “war” against Israel shows how much they have contributed to the conflict.
    And yet all we’ve EVER heard from you is how EVIL those Israelis are. And you know what? The Israelis have done some pretty bad things. But so have the Palestinians and the other Arab peoples in the area. Without the suicide bombers, there would be no wall, and every serious person knows that–except, apparently, you and Judith.
    And of course, the real money quote: “Jews are wholly misguided in believing that they should have “their own country.” That was nonsense then and it is nonsense now.”
    “Well said,” you said. And indeed, it says it all.
    Carroll showing her true colors: “I’d say the basic strategy is what it was in 1948: population transfer, to be achieved by making life so awful for Palestinians that most of them will depart, leaving a few bankrupt ghettoes behind as memorials to all those foolish hopes of a sovereign Palestinian state.”

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  28. Carroll says:

    MP speaks for himself and his own sickness, he does not speak for THE Jews.
    The respected Israeli academician Uriel Tal responds:
    “The bitter cries about anti-Semitism which allegedly raises again its head all over the world serve to cover up the fact that what is disintegrating in the world is Israel’s position, not Jewry’s.
    The charges of anti-Semitism only aim to inflame the Israeli public, to inculcate hatred and fanaticism, to cultivate paranoid obsession as if the whole world is persecuting us and that all other peoples in the world are contaminated while only we are pure and untarnished.”

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  29. Tom says:

    I’m sorry, but Annie and Oakley can not both be _the_ amazing Weimaraner. While still small (brief though it may be) Annie could be the amazing Weimaranermite. Later she could be the amazing Weimaraneress.
    Tom

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  30. Carroll says:

    Carroll writes: “Carroll also think that American jews like MP and winnie who excuse and lie and rationalize the clearly genocidial intent of the neo Israeli goverment are the enablers of this tradgey.”
    fuck you too
    Posted by MP at January 3, 2007 12:46 PM
    Oh and…
    “The end of the story? I’d say the basic strategy is what it was in 1948: population transfer, to be achieved by making life so awful for Palestinians that most of them will depart, leaving a few bankrupt ghettoes behind as memorials to all those foolish hopes of a sovereign Palestinian state.”
    …go to hell for this, too.
    Posted by MP at January 3, 2007 12:50 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>
    Ah…the real MP is shining thru…his facade of reasonableness and pretense of being politically involved for the purpose of upholding American democracy and human values vanishes….his distortions, his lies, his out of context presentations of other people’s statements, ….all of it for nought…all his work here down the drain.
    It’s true, the pen is mightier than the sword, as long as the pen pens the truth…it has just dealt a mortal blow to MP.
    You can obscure the truth, deny the truth, spin the truth, but you can’t beat the truth forever…it always, always comes out.

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  31. pauline says:

    Book: Israel, Lobby Pushing Iran War
    “The Bush administration, with the able help of the Israeli government and the pro-Israel Lobby, has succeeded,” Ritter writes, “in exploiting the ignorance of the American people about nuclear technology and nuclear weapons so as to engender enough fear that the American public has more or less been pre-programmed to accept the notion of the need to militarily confront a nuclear armed Iran.”
    http://www.forward.com/articles/book-israel-lobby-pushing-iran-war/

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  32. MP says:

    Oh and…
    “The end of the story? I’d say the basic strategy is what it was in 1948: population transfer, to be achieved by making life so awful for Palestinians that most of them will depart, leaving a few bankrupt ghettoes behind as memorials to all those foolish hopes of a sovereign Palestinian state.”
    …go to hell for this, too.

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  33. MP says:

    Carroll writes: “Carroll also think that American jews like MP and winnie who excuse and lie and rationalize the clearly genocidial intent of the neo Israeli goverment are the enablers of this tradgey.”
    fuck you too

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  34. Carroll says:

    Here is what Carroll thinks. Carroll thinks that every human being’s first obligation is to justice for other humans. All of them. Carroll also thinks that violators of human rights and decency must be stopped. Carroll also think that American jews like MP and winnie who excuse and lie and rationalize the clearly genocidial intent of the neo Israeli goverment are the enablers of this tradgey. They are locust upon the human race and upon the real principles of real americans. They are the Germans who stood by while the jews were exterminated as they now stand by while the Palestines are exterminated…proving once and for all that is there no difference in tribes or races or religions or nationalities, there are only good people and bad. And they are bad.
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=320988
    Primordial illogic and primitive cruelty
    By Amira Hass
    There is nothing more logical than setting arbitrary times of day when a Palestinian is allowed to leave his home and come back to it. There is nothing more logical than forbidding him to leave his field in a pickup truck to take his crops straight to market. It is logical to forbid him to receive guests, to take a donkey-drawn wagon, to ride a bicycle, to visit his parents a few kilometers away – or to bring a goat into his house “without coordination” so as to provide some fresh milk for his children.
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    There is nothing more logical than to fence the Palestinian into his village, neighborhood, and land, with an electronic barrier, and then set a minimum age to leave,. It is logical to appoint 19-year-old soldiers to watch the gate, which is sometimes opened on time and sometimes not, and to impose the rules – 29-year-olds are not allowed out, 30-year-olds are, pregnant women are allowed out, non-pregnant woman are not.
    It is logical to forbid all crossing when the Shin Bet suddenly requires it, leaving outside a 65-year-old man who went out to buy something a kilometer and a half away, or a young man who went for dental treatment, or a mother whose children stayed at home because only children under the age of 21 are allowed out.
    It is so logical to forbid a Palestinian to go to the beach 300 meters from his home, and to prevent half a million people from nearby towns from going to the beach. It is so logical. After all, that’s what army commanders and soldiers do, day in and day out, hour by hour, in Gaza, in the Siafa area in the north and the Mawassi in the center of the Strip.
    It’s logical, because the IDF’s mission in the heart of Gaza – which it did not leave in 1994, despite the Oslo legend – is to guarantee the safety and security and lives of Israelis whose government continues to encourage in moving to occupied territory. It is logical because Israeli governments since the 1970s and on, Labor and Likud, decided to settle Jews in the main open areas in the narrow Gaza Strip, in the prettiest area of dunes and on the most spectacular beach, in an area blessed with fresh water compared to the rest of the Gaza area.
    It is logical to lock people up in their homes and villages, and to sabotage the farming of their land because it is logical to subsidize the Jewish settlement in the land of the forefathers of Gush Katif and northern Gaza. It is logical to connect Jewish settler homes to electricity and water while forbidding Palestinian neighbors from connecting to the electricity grid and the water and sewage lines.
    It sounds cruel to lock people up in their homes and uproot their groves and orchards that they spent decades nurturing. But it’s a logical cruelty, Israel is convinced, if that is what it takes to foil the cruelty of others – to prevent an armed Palestinian attack on a nursery school or a plant nursery or to plant a landmine on the route of a tank that is patrolling to protect the nursery school and the plant nursery.
    During the Oslo years, many good Israelis made do with the logical thought that “eventually” the settlements in Gaza would be dismantled. Logic and policy are two different things. Meanwhile, even before the bloodshed broke out in September 2000, the settlements in Gaza expanded, their infrastructures were improved and their security required the army to dictate various Draconian prohibitions of movement for a million Palestinians.
    The northern Gaza Strip, with its minuscule settlements, was cut off from the rest of the strip and de facto annexed to Israel. Palestinian representatives tried to speak to the logical minds of their Israeli counterparts at the negotiating table. It didn’t work. On the contrary, the number of settlements in Gaza only grew.
    With subsidizes and expanding infrastructures and good roads and an expanding market for their worm-free lettuce – why should they leave? And why should the government dismantle the settlements when the Palestinians themselves signed the agreements that did not require the settlements to be dismantled? The quiet that most Palestinians kept most of the time proved to Israelis that it was possible to get peace with the settlements.
    That quiet relieved the Israelis of the duty to deal with the primordial illogic, the primordial cruelty – establishing the settlements. The governments used the Palestinian quiet to continue developing the settlements. And after September 2000, what the appeals to logic did not accomplish, the armed attacks certainly won’t accomplish. After all, Israel will never give in to terror.
    Even before any Qassam rockets were fired at Sderot, the army shot to death people who dared approach settlements and the fortifications that protect the settlements. Some were armed, but many were simply shepherds and peasants and their stone-throwing children. All the farmland around the settlements was shaved down to nothing – raked, flattened and demolished, to improve the vision of soldiers preserving the settlements. How logical.

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  35. MP says:

    Judy writes:
    “Maybe what you do not like about me the most is that I am willing to sign my name to my cause and open myself up to all the nasty nuts like you.”
    Not at all. What I hate about you most is the dangerous and cowardly anti-Semitic tripe you purvey. I’d hate you just as much if you were “hiding” behind a screen name.

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  36. Carroll says:

    The truth marches on….every day another American learns the truth of the US financed Israeli occupation of Palestine is a day closer to ending it.
    http://www.zoa.org/2002/05/mideast_confere.htm
    ADDITIONAL DANGERS OF A PALESTINIAN STATE:
    Endanger Israel’s water supply. A significant portion of Israel’s water originates in Judea-Samaria. If Arafat has sovereignty, he could shut off the flow of that water. There would also be an increase danger of Palestinian Arab terrorists sabotaging the Israeli water supply.
    http://www.uswaternews.com/archives/arcglobal/2isrmin11.html
    Israel uses 85 percent of Palestinian water supplies in the West Bank, Kawash said.
    WATER SUPPLY: A successful Palestinian state will need adequate supplies of clean water for domestic consumption, commercial and industrial development, and agriculture. Today Palestinians have only half the minimum amount of water per person established by the World Health Organization. Coping with a severe and worsening water shortage will require a combination of measures to enhance supply and restrain demand. One way to provide Palestinians with enough water to meet World Health Organization standards would be for Israel and Palestine to renegotiate the allocation of existing water resources.
    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020506/said
    In 1988 the PLO made the concession of accepting partition of Palestine into two states. This was reaffirmed on numerous occasions, and certainly in the Oslo documents. But only the Palestinians explicitly recognized the notion of partition. Israel never has. This is why there are now more than 170 settlements on Palestinian land, why there is a 300-mile road network connecting them to each other and totally impeding Palestinian movement (according to Jeff Halper of The Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions, it costs $3 billion and has been funded by the United States), and why no Israeli prime minister has ever conceded any real sovereignty to the Palestinians, and why the settlements have grown on an annual basis. The merest glance at the accompanying map reveals what Israel has been doing throughout the peace process, and what the consequent geographical discontinuity and shrinkage in Palestinian life has been. In effect, Israel considers itself and the Jewish people to own all of Palestine. There are land ownership laws in Israel itself guaranteeing this, but in the West Bank and Gaza the settlements, roads and refusal to concede sovereign land rights to the Palestinians serve the same function.
    http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2006/01/18/isrlpa12224.htm
    During 2005, Israel continued with its construction of the wall, notwithstanding the International Court of Justice’s Advisory Opinion declaring the construction of the wall inside the OPT a violation of IHL, and demanding that Israel cease further construction inside the OPT. While the stated Israeli security rationale for the wall is to prevent Palestinian armed groups from carrying out attacks in Israel, 85 percent of its route extends into the West Bank, facilitating the eventual annexation to Israel of most of the large illegal Jewish settlements constructed over the past several decades as well as some of the most productive Palestinian farmlands and key water resources.
    http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/296ee705038ac9fc852561170067e05f!OpenDocument
    Information on basic features of the geography, hydrology and numerous development plans for water resources related to the occupied Palestinian territory reveals three main areas which have throughout most of the twentieth century received international attention and continue to be the focus of concern in the 1980s and beyond. These are the Jordan River basin water resources involving Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, the Syrian Arab Republic and the West Bank; the groundwater resources originating in the West Bank, largely consumed in the lowlands of Israel and by the Israeli settlements; and the groundwater resources of the Gaza Strip, which partially originate in Israel and are over-exploited and polluted. Based on these broad geographical features of the Palestinian water economy, the first part of this study addresses in three sections the diversion, depletion and control by Israel of Palestinian water resources. The first section of part I details the Jordan River basin and groundwater resources involving the occupied Palestinian territory and introduces major Israeli projects diverting these water resources. The second section focuses on the effects Israeli annexation, land and settlement policies have on the Palestinian water economy in terms of the unilateral integration of the water infrastructures of Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory, the seizure by Israel of about half of the Palestinian land under occupation and the preferential treatment of Israeli settlements in the area of water supply, consumption and development. The third section outlines some of the principal legal and institutional constraints placed by Israel on the administration and management of the Palestinian water economy. The grave problems for the Palestinian agricultural sector stemming from Israeli water policies are discussed in the second part of this study, in connection with the restrictions placed by Israel on any Palestinian development activity requiring water. That part also addresses repressive measures, such as politically motivated interruptions of water supplies of entire communities and the massive uprooting of trees, which contribute to the reduction in the use of water by Palestinians. Part III illustrates the debilitating impact of the Israeli policies presented in the preceding parts on Palestinian water consumption: the insufficient availability and quality of water. An elaboration on the lack of effective international protection of Palestinian water resources and a brief presentation of technical proposals for future regional cooperation on water security conclude this study.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2949768.stm
    Since the Madrid conference in 1991, Palestine-Israel negotiations and the now frozen negotiations with Syria have always stumbled over the issue of sharing water.
    With the Israeli army in control prohibiting Palestinians from pumping water, and settlers using much more advanced pumping equipment, Palestinians complain of “daily theft” of as much as 80% of their underground water.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/764142.stm
    Palestinians gathering water from a spring in their village use a quarter as much water as their Israeli neighbours.
    Israel shows no signs of returning land with access to rivers or underground supplies.
    http://www.iasps.org/strategic/water.htm
    At the same time, the possibility of Palestinian control of the West Bank suggests, at the very least, a further reduction of available water to Israel, currently utilizing the majority of the West Bank (Palestine) Aquifer.
    http://www.usaid.gov/wbg/program_water.htm
    The West Bank and Gaza suffer from a chronic water shortage, preventing sustained economic growth and damaging the environment and health of Palestinians. Further losses are caused by old, deteriorated infrastructure.
    Palestinians have a very low water consumption rate – generally using about half of internationally recommended daily amount of water for consumption, hygiene, and cleaning needs. One ten minute shower in the U.S. equals a day’s water consumption for an average Palestinian.
    Hundreds of rural villages across the West Bank have no piped water, and hundreds more have it only in the winter. Residents typically use less than 30 liters per capita per day because of the high costs of water delivered by truck. Fewer and fewer families can afford basic water supplies.
    Water quality is not being tested in the Palestinian villages and much of the household water is untreated. This is largely due to the closures and curfews that prevent the access to chlorine and safe water sources. About two-thirds of drinking water in rural households is contaminated with bacteria.
    Palestinian ground water supplies have increasingly become polluted as a result of agricultural chemicals, inadequate sewage treatment, and over-pumping of wells. Untreated sewage is dumped in valleys and the Mediterranean Sea, polluting the ground water, sea, soil and coastline.
    West Bank Water Supply Program: USAID, through its $42 million contracts with CH2M HILL and Contrack International, constructed one well near Nablus and four wells, two pump stations, and 17 kilometers of pipeline in the Bethlehem/Hebron region. In the Hebron area, new transmission lines delivered a reliable source of clean water to more than 400,000 Palestinians in more than 25 villages. An aquifer modeling tool, design by CH2, will enable the Palestinian Water Authority (PWA) to manage these resources efficiently.
    **Opps…Israel bombed and destroyed all this nice work by USAID in their rampage this past summer…as well as destroying the 45 million $ Palestine power station..that the US is having to pay for.
    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060619/cockburn
    The first item I ever wrote about Palestinians was around 1973, when I was just starting a press column for the Village Voice. It concerned a story in the New York Times about a “retaliatory” raid by the Israeli air force, after a couple of Fatah guer­rillas had fired on an IDF unit. I’m not sure whether there were any fatalities. The planes flew north and dumped high explosives on a refugee camp in Leba­non, killing a dozen or so.
    I wrote a little commentary, noting the usual lack of moral disquiet in the Times story about this lethal retaliation inflicted on innocent refugees. Dan Wolf, the Voice’s editor, called me in and suggested I might want to reconsider. I think, that first time, the item got dropped. But Dan’s unwonted act of censorship riled me, and I started writing a fair amount about the lot of the Palestinians.
    Those were the days when Palestinians carried far less news value for editors than Furbish’s lousewort, and no politician ever said that this beleaguered plant didn’t actually exist as a species, which is what Golda Meir said of Palestinians.
    Back then you had to dig a little harder to excavate what Israelis were actually doing to Palestinians. Lay out the facts about institutionalized racism, land confiscations, torture, and a hail of abuse would pour through the mailbox, as when I published a long interview in the Voice in 1980 with the late Israel Shahak, the intrepid professor from Hebrew University.
    It’s slightly eerie now to look at what Shahak was saying back then and at the accuracy of his predictions: “The basic trends were established in ’74 and ’75, including settler organization, mystical ideology, and the great financial support of the United States to Israel…. Between summer ’74 and summer ’75 the key decisions were taken, and from that time it’s a straight line.” Among these decisions, said Shahak, was “to keep the occupied territories of Palestine,” a detailed development of much older designs consummated in 1967.
    Gradually, through the 1980s, very often in the translations from the Hebrew-language press that Shahak used to send, the contours of the Israeli plan emerged, like the keel and ribs and timbers of an old ship: the road system that would bypass Palestinian towns and villages and link the Jewish settlements and military posts; the ever-expanding clusters of illegal settlements; control of the whole region’s water.
    It wasn’t hard to get vivid descriptions of the increasingly intolerable conditions of life for Palestinians: the torture of prisoners, the barriers to the simplest trip, the harassment of farmers and schoolchildren, the house demolitions. Plenty of people came back from Israel and the territories with harrowing accounts, though few of the accounts made the journey into a major newspaper or onto national television.
    And even in the testimonies that did get published here, there was never recognition of Israel’s long-term plan to wipe the rec­­ord clean of all troublesome UN resolutions, crush Pales­tinians’ national aspirations, steal their land and water, cram them into ever-smaller enclaves, ultimately balkanize them with the wall, which was on the drawing boards many years ago. Indeed, to write about any sort of master plan was to incur further torrents of abuse for one’s supposedly “paranoid” fantasies about Israel’s bad faith, with much pious invocation of the “peace process.”
    But successive Israeli governments did have a long-term plan. No matter who was in power, the roads got built, the water stolen, the olive and fruit trees cut down (a million), the houses knocked over (12,000), the settlements imposed (300), the shameless protestations of good faith issued to the US press (beyond computation).
    As the new millennium shambled forward, surely it became impossible to believe any Israeli claim to be bargaining, or even to wish to bargain, in good faith. By now the “facts on the ground” in Israel were as sharply in focus as one of Dali’s Surrealist paintings.
    In May of this year the Israeli Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, came to Washington and addressed a joint session of Congress at which he declared: “I believed, and to this day still believe, in our people’s eternal and historic right to this entire land.” In other words, he doesn’t recognize the right of Palestinians to even the wretched cantons currently envisaged in his “realignment.” Why should Hamas believe a syllable of Olmert’s poppycock?
    In Olmert’s “realignment” plan the “separation barrier,” now scheduled to be Israel’s permanent “demographic border,” annexes 10 percent of the West Bank, while melding into Israel vast settlements and hundreds of thousands of settlers. The Palestinians lose their best agricultural land and the water. Israel’s Greater Jerusalem finishes off any possible viability for a separate Palestinian state. This Palestinian mini-archipelago of cantons is shuttered to the east by Israel’s security border in the Jordan Valley.
    The press here, marinated in timidity and ignorance, greets Olmert’s “realignment” schedule with tranquil respect. In the meantime a frightful historical tragedy is in its final stages. With the connivance of what is sometimes laughably referred to as the “world community”–notably the United States and the Euro­pean Union–Israel is deliberately starving Palestinians into submission as the reward for having democratically elected the party of their choice. Whole communities are famished and sick, cut off by Israel from food and medicine. The World Bank predicts a poverty rate of more than 67 percent later this year. A UN report issued in Geneva on May 30 says that four out of ten Palestinians in the territories live under the official poverty line, of less than $2.10 a day. The ILO estimates the jobless rate to be 40.7 percent of the Palestinian labor force.
    The end of the story? I’d say the basic strategy is what it was in 1948: population transfer, to be achieved by making life so awful for Palestinians that most of them will depart, leaving a few bankrupt ghettoes behind as memorials to all those foolish hopes of a sovereign Palestinian state.
    Pass it on.

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  37. JUDITH HANEY says:

    MP:
    What is written in my bio is none your anonymous business.
    Please state why are you hiding behind a screen name? Stand up to the plate and give us your real name, address and telephone number.
    It is easy for a two bit abusive hate filled coward like you to shoot anonymous arrows isn’t it? However, it is clear that you do not have the intestinal fortitude, honesty of purpose, or character to reveal your true identity and sign your name to your inflammatory nonsensical rhetoric.
    I am proud to reveal my true identify and sign my name to my cause for justice in the Middle East.
    In my view my comments carry much more weight with my name signed to them than do yours that are anonymously inflicted. Maybe what you do not like about me the most is that I am willing to sign my name to my cause and open myself up to all the nasty nuts like you.
    By the way, that entire torrent of BS you spew about the poor Jews this and the poor Jews that is utter manipulation and not in the least credible. Try another tact – if you can find one that makes any sense at all.

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  38. MP says:

    I guess I feel about Judith the way Den felt about Brent. Just hard to get her out of my system. The first line of her bio states that she’s a “native born American” journalist.
    Get the code here folks?
    I can tell you that in the 1000s of bios I’ve written about myself for various jobs and projects, it has NEVER occurred to me to list the fact that I was born in America.
    Look at Steve’s bio: Does it say “native born” American blogger?
    Guess why not…

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  39. MP says:

    So here we have it. All the talk that this discussion isn’t about Israel’s right to exist–but about justice for the Palestinians–is seen for the facade that it is. At bottom, this discussion ALWAYS comes down to Israel’s right to exist eventually. Israel could give up the right bank, left bank, all of Jerusalem, and Tel Aviv–and the Israelis would still be “non-native” Middle Easterners, according to Judith, with a friendly “well said” from Carroll, contradicting all her past denials that Israel’s existence was the issue at hand, when, of course, it was and is.
    But you know what, Judith/Carroll: Jews were considered non-native Europeans too! We weren’t British, French, German, Italian, Polish, Russian, Hungarian, Czech, or Romanian. Apparently, the 700,000 or so Jews expelled from ME countries after the birth of Israel, though they had lived there for CENTURIES, weren’t native either. Not the Falashas, either.
    Of late, and repeatedly, we’ve been treated to the label of “dualists,” not a new one, BTW. Lucky LIndy and all the America Firsters back in the middle of the century, and no doubt before, felt the same way about their Jewish neighbors. To be tolerated UNTIL they speak up for their brethren getting slaughtered abroad. And then they are shown the door. Because, of course, you see, Jews are ALWAYS a minority, never have been a big people in terms of numbers, ALWAYS a vulnerable minority.
    What’s funny about the terms dualist and traitor–and little noted, I might add–is that Jerry Falwell is never called a dualist. Never called a traitor. Nor is Tom Delay. No matter how much these odious folks “support” Israel, they are NEVER told to leave the US of A. Believe it or not, I don’t think that even the big Kahunas, Bush and Cheney, have ever been called dualists or traitors or told to leave this country by esteemed contributors to this comments section.
    They’ve been threatened with death and impeachment, but they are never told to get out. That threat is reserved for dah Jews.
    I often wonder how many other hyphenated Americans are dual citizens? I’m willing to bet there are a lot of them. But the only time this EVER comes up is when it comes to the Jews. We could have a thousand Aldrich Ames’s spying on us, and we wouldn’t say boo about all those dual English-American citizens in gov’t.
    Getting worked up about all those English dualists just doesn’t have the right sizzle, does it? It isn’t Jewcy enough.
    And, yes Ticia I must say this, though I myself nearly became an apostate at one point, we aren’t Christian and we aren’t Muslim–two religions that have used unusually “refined” methods of converting native populations to their creed to become the majority religion. I guess it just doesn’t pay to be a non-evangelistic people, content to mind its own business and contribute to society the best it can and with ZERO desire to convert any native peoples to anything.
    But, if you have the cojones to conquer continents, kill and convert the natives, you’re home free. People like you. You’re popular. And the ashes of all THOSE native peoples…and the toil of all those slaves…hey, well, that’s all in the past. We’ve got a constitution now! Sure, the WASPS oppressed every single minority who ever lived here…but at least they’re making progress, right? Women have the vote and negroes, too!
    But let the Jews, just back from the Holocaust, try to create a country on a tiny sliver of land, where they HAVE lived for CENTURIES, in a deal that allowed for ALL the people in the area to have their own countries, in a deal that was blessed by the international community via the UN, in a deal that was blessed by the land’s putative guardians, the British (Carroll’s favorite source of information except for a few inconvenient facts) well then, listen to what Judith, a true Pursuer of Justice, has to say:
    “Jews are wholly misguided in believing that they should have “their own country. That was nonsense then and it is nonsense now.”
    But Judith, please tell me, why is it nonsense? Let’s see, we tried living in ghettoes and shtells–got slaughtered. Tried assimilating–got slaughtered. Might as well try having our own country, right? Hey, things aren’t going great at the moment, but at least we’re not getting slaughtered…yet.
    I mean, WTF do we Jews have to lose?
    I always love it when someone reminds us that Palestinians shouldn’t have to pay for the Holocaust. Inevitably someone pipes up to say, “Yeah, they should have carved out a piece of Germany or Poland to create Israel.” This would be laughable if it weren’t so sad. Do you know that the first rabbi in over 50 years was just ordained in Germany? In Germany, Jews were more assimilated than they are here. It was the seat of liberal Judaism. What a sad fucking joke. “Oh yes, every single member of my family was pulled from his bed in the middle of the night while friendly neighbors looked on, and that is why I pine for that great German beer, sausage, and lieder. Please, please take me back to Munich!”
    (Inevitably–so I’ll steal his thunder–some creep wags, “The Jews should have gone to Patagonia or Antartica where there really were no people!” Unfortunately, all too many people feel this way about the Jews. Are they anti-Semites? You decide.)
    It doesn’t matter how many centuries a Jew lives some place; he’s always the guest. It doesn’t matter how often he serves his country in the military or government or in the professional classes or as a carpenter or a baker or a tailor–he’s always just passing through. He’s always just the banker who starts all the wars.
    Isn’t it amazing? Mel Gibson owes virtually his entire career, not to mention his fortune, to an industry that was largely forged from nothing by Jews. And this is how he repays them. What do you think, Carroll? Is Mel just interested in justice for the Palestinians? Is Mel a member of one of those fringe Aryan groups where all the anti-Semites hang out?
    Judith, I have to tell you this: I have complete contempt for you. I wish you the very worst of luck in your endeavors.

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  40. MP says:

    In the interest of clearing up the disinformation that Carroll puts out, this…
    “…all right thinking sane people can see that what Israel is about is pure greed…it’s economics and power..as I have long said…for Israel right wingers to fulfill their delusions they have to have economic surpremecy in the ME…that is what Palestine and Iran are about..it is definitely not about peace and security. Israel could have had peace decades ago but chose not to.”
    …is pure, unmitigated horseshit.

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  41. winnipeger says:

    keep dreaming, judith. it’s exactly this type of divorce from reality that has contributed to the horrible predicamentof your “family.”
    “israel will not continue to exist because middle eastern countries will no longer tolerate its presence or allow it to exist”?!?!
    i hate to break it to you, but israel WILL continue to exist irrespective of middle eastern countries “tolerating it’s presence or allowing it to exist.” to think otherwise is to engage in the arab “denial” which is exacerbating this conflict.
    and as far as “jews and others why sympathize with them,” choosing to villify ahmadinejad, i think he’s doing a pretty good job of villifying himself. although, why should anyone find that madman’s rhetoric or the fact that he invited david duke to participate in a national conference questioning the truth of the nazi holocaust offensive, right?!
    and as far as your “cousin” in dubai suffering under the illegal jewish occupation of his homeland (lebanon), i guess the syrian occupation and hezbollah hijacking of his country has been a net positive, huh?
    one last point, the u.s. will NOT stop its support for it’s closest ally in the ME. and it certainly won’t be in its best interests to do so in our lifetime. to think otherwise is delusional. further, if and when the u.s. ends it’s foreign aid to israel, israel’s economy will continue to far outperform any of her arab neighbors and her society will continue to flourish and offer more to the world in terms of the arts, sciences and industry than the entire arab ME combined.
    take that to the bank.

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  42. Sue says:

    “Strategic activism”? Yes, please explain.

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  43. JUDITH HANEY says:

    “p.s. so you have cousins in syria and dubai “suffering under the jewish occupation?” that should be news to bashar asaad and sheikh al maktoum.”
    Winnie,
    You are intentionally and maliciously redefining what I wrote and the context in which I wrote it. When you engage in this type of nasty, inappropriate, abuse of others, it discredits you, not them and certainly not me.
    My cousin in Dubai works there, but he is not from there. He is from Lebanon, and has suffered under the illegal Jewish occupation of his homeland.
    I choose to define the illegal occupation of Middle Eastern native lands as a Jewish occupation. I choose not to acknowledge Israel because it is dwarfed, dysfunctional, mechanism devised to support an illegal invasion and occupation.
    Israel as we know it will not continue to exist because Middle Eastern countries will no longer tolerate its presence or allow it to exist.
    The United States will eventually stop its support because it is in its best interests to do so.
    Jews, and others who sympathize with them, may choose to vilify Iran’s current spokesman, but that will not change the direction of the current trend which is to put an end to something that should never have existed in the first place. Iran is not the only critic of the illegal Jewish occupation of native lands.

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  44. Carroll says:

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3346663,00.html
    Ho,ho…more stirring of the pot in the ME…Gaddafi has called Saudi on not allowing non muslims to go to the Muslim holy site….
    Somehow I don’t think he really cares, but he does enjoy prodding the hornet’s nest.

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  45. Carroll says:

    In the interest of clearing up the disinformation winnie puts out….this business about the jews remaining in the “many,many” numbers in Palestine throuout the centuries…
    The exact population of Palestine in 1935 was 653,000 Arab muslims, 58,000 christians and 28,600 jews….*Courtesy of the 1935 official census of Palestine by the British Goverment.

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  46. Carroll says:

    Posted by FREE SAMIR AL KANTAR at January 2, 2007 11:01 PM
    Also well said….because all right thinking sane people can see that what Israel is about is pure greed…it’s economics and power..as I have long said…for Israel right wingers to fulfill their delusions they have to have economic surpremecy in the ME…that is what Palestine and Iran are about..it is definitely not about peace and security. Israel could have had peace decades ago but chose not to.

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  47. winnipeger says:

    first of all den, i mean FSAK, i believe that you should be referring to the *israelis* not the “jews.” please keep in mind that 20% of israeli’s are not jewish. also, please keep in mind that in addition to being settled by jews thousands of years ago, as documented in the holy book acknowledged by all jews, christians and muslims as God’s word, many remained in their homeland up until 1948. there has been a constant jewish presence in israel for thousands of years. you really need to brush up on your history.
    further, just which “land” are you talking about? are you talking about the land seized by israel in the 1967 war when three arab armies were poised to simultaneously attack her, but were thwarted before they could launch their first strike? if so, and you want it back, make like sadat and shake our hand.
    if you’re talking about israel proper, forget about it. do yourself a favor and make nice with the fact that israel isn’t going anywhere. borders will change but israel will not disappear. i hate to break it to you, but ahmadinejad is full of shit. don’t get your hopes up. no nation nd no militia will ever “wipe israel off the map.”
    p.s. so you have cousins in syria and dubai “suffering under the jewish occupation?” that should be news to bashar asaad and sheikh al maktoum.
    salaam, habibi.

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  48. Carroll says:

    Wow….
    UFO spotted…are they coming to save the world?…I hope they have litle ray guns that can freeze evil doers and turn them into statues…then we could have a garden display of evil doers for instructional purposes.
    http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/airline-employees-say-they-saw-ufo/20070101154409990002?cid=2194
    At the risk of being poo-pooed I have to admit I too have seen a flying saucer….or something commonly described as a UFO. With so many reputable people, especially airline piolts who aren’t known to mistake ‘weather’ for what they actually see, swearing to have seen these things, they are definitely something..whether alien or produced here for years for whatever reason.
    Anyway when we saw ours we were out on the pier at our house on the sound just messing around with our crab pots, I was about 10 years old…and my older adult cousin and Aunt came running from the house yelling look, look!…sure enough right there “hovering” (is the only way to describe it) about mid way over the sound was the same silver disk shaped thing everyones refers to in their descriptions. The sound is only a mile wide between the mainland the island strip on the ocean and it looked a little longer than the length of one of our now modern day jet liners. It was there and then shot away in a flash out over the ocean. There was no “weather” it was a crystal clear late afternoon, not yet dark, July day. We still mention it to each other every time someone else reports this type of sighting. Whatever these things are, and the one we saw was a “thing”, not weather, the reports are all too similar for the gov or someone not to have come forward long ago to explain them.

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  49. FREE SAMIR AL KANTAR says:

    I have been reading contributions to this blog for a few weeks now and I have learned a lot about matters of interest to me.
    Everyone is contributing a lot here. Everyone is unique. Everyone should express what is on their mind without fear of reprisals and mean spirited put downs.
    Name calling lets off steam, but it doesn’t accomplish much else.
    Winnipeger, the Jews have illegally invaded Lebanon – again. They have tortured and killed and illegally detained thousands of Palestinians and Lebanese. They are receiving help from the U.S. to carry out these illegal policies and I do not want my tax dollars used for this purpose.
    My view concerning the Jews illegal occupation of native lands is not anti-Semitic. My views reflect my preferences as to how my tax dollars are spent. The tax payers fund contains MY MONEY. It is MY MONEY that is being used for purposes that I wholly disagree with.
    I have a right to my preferences in this regard, and I intend to vehemently express them – even at the risk of being labeled anti-Semitic by you and others like you.
    Jews of all ages, backgrounds, and countries of origin are uninvited guests in an old country of native Middle Easterners. That the natives are fighting to regain their lost country, and to keep what they already have, is understandable. What is remarkable is that anyone – you included – would expect them to do otherwise.
    Whenever I think of the horror that the Jews, under U.S. sponsorship, has inflicted upon native Middle Easterners beginning with the middle of the last century, I wonder what the world could have been thinking to have inflicted this inexplicable crime upon the natives of the region.
    The world’s reaction to the Holocaust, and to its survivors, was appropriately and understandably met with an all out rescue, however, the rescue should not have been at the expense of millions of Middle Easterners.
    What could the Jews, and the rest of the world, have been thinking to believe that this type of resettlement – illegal land grab – in the Middle East could ever work? And if anyone anywhere still clings to the belief that it will work in the future, history has shown us that it will not. The Middle Eastern led resistance to the Jewish occupation has grown much stronger under BushCo. And it will continue to grow even stronger because Middle Eastern countries have great wealth which is being used for the benefit of the natives – not the Jews.
    Native Middle Easterners are going to get their Jewish occupied land back and the world must come to terms with that reality.
    Jews are wholly misguided in believing that they should have “their own country.” That was nonsense then and it is nonsense now.
    Anyone who reads this post should also know that I have cousins in Lebanon, Syria, and Dubai. They have suffered under the Jewish occupation. One of my cousins, Samir al-Kantar is currently detained by Israel. The Israeli’s have tortured and illegally detained Samir since 1979. He was only sixteen-years old when he was captured and tortured by the Jews. He is being detained because dared to defend his native land of Lebanon.
    The native resistance to Jewish occupation of their homeland is strong and growing steadily – and ultimately, they will prevail. I only hope that it is in my lifetime.

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  50. Carroll says:

    Keeping my resolution, here is another trend in America’s decline…the culpits?…goverment and big “bizness”.
    http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0102/p02s01-usju.html
    ..this deal of ‘seizing” private property or putting it’s use under some “private development company” who demands a share in the seller’s profits for his own property is another sign of our two family mafia goverment.
    Americans love their land and property…if the gov wants to resort to the old wild west ways of allowing robber barons to steal land they can expect to eventually have people “gunning” for them.
    This is another way in which americans relate to the seizing and bulldozing of homes, farms and property in Palestine by the Israelis….if the Israelis had settled in some part of the US and done the same things they have done in Palestine they would have been extinct in sixty days.
    Sooner or later we are going to have a knock down, drag out in this country..probably not until the masses get pushed to their limit and have to admit to themselves that they are being robbed blind in every way and get fed up with the yada,yada,yada of the money changers on capitol hill..but once they catch on….well, I am looking forward to the fireworks.

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  51. winnipeger says:

    who accused of being anti-semitic, poa? feeling guilty? i only described your posts as being angry, hateful and non-constructive in nature.

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  52. Pissed Off American says:

    The following is from the AIPAC website. Kinda odd having a foreign country, that has irrefutably and often times been caught in acts of espionage against the United States, providing the equipment we will rely on to thwart the next “terrorist” attack, eh? Convienient, too, isn’t it?
    U.S. Water Authority Buys Israeli Security System
    A major U.S. water authority has purchased Israeli-developed surveillance technology to help protect several of its sites on the eastern seaboard, the Israel21c.org website reported. The “DreamBox” integrates a number of closed-caption TV monitoring functions into one platform, obviating the need for complicated installation procedures. It was developed by Magal Security Services Ltd., an Israeli firm that also manufactures sections of Israel’s anti-terrorist security fence. A number of major U.S. government agencies and private companies now rely on Israeli-developed technology for security, reflecting widespread confidence in the security expertise Israel has obtained as a result of its ongoing battle against terrorism.

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  53. Pissed Off American says:

    “don’t you think it’s just a teensy weensy bit stupid to assail the character of someone you’ve never met and know next to nothing about? you don’t even know my name.”
    I have met you. Here, through your written word. So have others here. I can’t speak for them, but I know you as characterless scum, and that knowledge is based on your own words and manner of debate. The one fortunate aspect to such a “meeting” is the fact that wherever you actually live, it ain’t in my neighborhood, and all I gotta do is touch one key, and “poof”, you’re gone. Just like flushin’ a toilet.
    Hey, you’ve never “met” me in the context in which you phrased it either, yet you have no problem drooling this crap about “anti-semitism”. Calling someone anti-semitic isn’t an attack on their character, you hypocritical weasel?
    Go screw yourself.

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  54. Carroll says:

    Unless, of course you are insulting someone because they are a 53 year old cabinet maker, eh, you hypocritical pissant?”
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    Hey POA..I don’t know about your area but cabinet makers & woodworking artist are in big demand here and make a fortune…to get anything custom built like a coffee table or cabinets, especially built in you home you have to get on a “waiting list.”
    I doubt anyone is on winnie’s waiting list. LOL

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  55. winnipeger says:

    BTW, I challenge ANYONE on this blog to produce a post of mine that can be construed, honestly, as “anti-semitic”.
    Posted by: Pissed Off American at January 2, 2007 09:28 PM
    who accused of being anti-semitic, poa? feeling guilty? i only described your posts as being angry, hateful and non-constructive in nature.

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  56. winnipeger says:

    carroll and poa:
    you’re both way too much. don’t you think it’s just a teensy weensy bit stupid to assail the character of someone you’ve never met and know next to nothing about? you don’t even know my name.
    carroll wrote:
    “I don’t think Winnie has the capacity to understand any injustice or suffering except where it applies to him. He is a small, bitter and limited person who wants special privilages for “himself” based on his dead relatives tradegy.”
    c’mon, carrol. this is just dumb… and untrue.
    poa wrote:
    “Winnipeger is the scum at the very bottom of a deep and rancid pool.”
    this is really great stuff! so dramatic! reminds me of bukowski. are you sure you’re a cabinet maker and not a poet?

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  57. Pissed Off American says:

    BTW, I challenge ANYONE on this blog to produce a post of mine that can be construed, honestly, as “anti-semitic”.

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  58. Carroll says:

    Posted by ET at January 2, 2007 04:52 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>
    Well said ET.
    I don’t think Winnie has the capacity to understand any injustice or suffering except where it applies to him. He is a small, bitter and limited person who wants special privilages for “himself” based on his dead relatives tradegy.
    We must all stay mad and raise hell about every single injustice and outrage against anyone, particulary the innocent and children everywhere in the world. And especially Palestine, because it is our country and our money and our goverment who is aiding and abetting it and making it possible to occupy another country and destroy people’s lives. We have to stop it…it’s the only one we know we can stop without warfare by simply cutting off their money and their US support. Then we need to move onto others.

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  59. Pissed Off American says:

    BTW, ET….
    Thank you.

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  60. Pissed Off American says:

    Forget it, ET. Winnipeger is a fraud. His reponses are tasked, not offered out of any conviction or search for truth. His task is to cloud the truth, to hide it.
    Winnipeger is the scum at the very bottom of a deep and rancid pool. And it has nothing to do with his ethnicity, his religion, or his country of choice. It has to do with his character.

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  61. winnipeger says:

    hey, poa, i thought you said you were never going to respond to me again?
    i was right. you couldn’t help yourself :)
    ha

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  62. Dons Blog says:

    “And to draw a lot more people into strategic activism.”
    Just curious Steve. Who is this and what would this look like?
    It’s one thing to sitting around writing on blogs. Meaning me and other armchair quarterbacks. What would you like to see in activists at work?

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  63. ET says:

    winnipeger,
    If you were here, I’d make ya a glass tea, bake some cookies and make you welcome in my house. After I softened you up with my great cooking and hospitality, I would try to help you hear POA and Carroll for who they are to me, at this blog. They are standing for those Palestinian kids and those Lebanese kids and those Iraqi kids. They are standing for this country. They are half-nuts with the travesty of justice and the bastardization of everything that is true, good and beautiful about our America. To me, they are full of love, in their hate for evil. This I know inside me. This I hear. That’s the paradox. There is the content and there is the context of any message — and there is the intent. Ultimately,to be discerned, is the character of the messenger. You know people who say awful things, but you listen to their hearts — you find them and you get what they’re all about.
    I know how awful they sound to your ears and how literally inexcusable their manners are at times, but search the hearts again. There are surface noises — and there are deeper soundings. Don’t substitute your pain for the reponsibility to listen. You’re missing a whole lot. I don’t think you should muzzle yourself, at all — or them. But I call upon you to listen more deeply than you have been and to acknowledge those who differ — especially, those who offend you. Before you can correct anyone, you have to connect. You truly have to hear the other, to grasp their worth — and you have to acknowledge them. In that spirit alone, there is the possibility for transformation. Otherwise, words are just crashing onto words and cancelling each other out like algebra.
    Maybe we’ll try this again another time. I’m messing it all up. Until then, listen for the essence. Respond to what is essential.
    Ticia

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  64. Pissed Off American says:

    “but, until we all figure out that hatred and anger ain’t gonna do nothin’ but *accelerate* the destruction we seek to end, we’re all gonna be shit out of luck and innocent kids will continue to die. this goes for you, me, the israelis, the palestinians, poa, and carroll, too.
    hate speech disseminates hatred, which in turn, increases anger, which in turn increases violence, which in turn leads to more innocent folks being killed.”
    Unless, of course you are insulting someone because they are a 53 year old cabinet maker, eh, you hypocritical pissant? You’ve been bullshitting this blog, and stalking Carrol’s posts since you arrived with the “winnipeger” screen name. Anyone that has followed your posting knows that. Screw you, winnipeger.
    And the post that started this on THIS thread made certain accusations in regards to Israel’s behaviour. Are you denying they have been STEALING Palestinian land for some time now? And if you accept that they HAVE been stealing land, as Peace Now has PROVEN with official government maps and documents, how is it “anti-semitic” to point that out? Are you denying they rained over a million cluster munitions into Lebanon? And if in fact they did so, is it anti-semitic to criticize that act?
    I tell you what you hypocritical mewling ass, it is “hate speech” to call people “anti-semitic” just because they are sick and tired of their tax dollars been spent on the unholy task of MURDER and subsidizing the criminal human rights abuses that Israel is IRREFUTABLY engaged in. And it is “hate speech” to rebut our chagrin at the FACT that Israel in a large part INFLUENCES, WRITES THE LEGISLATION, and SPONSORS a HUGE PART of American foreign policy through its lobby arms by calling us “anti-semitic” everytime we bring up the issue.
    So, winnipeger, there are few here, I am sure, that failed to see the kind of character YOU exhibited in the manner you attacked both my proffession, and my age. So don’t preach to us about “hate speech”. You’re a complete and utter ass winnipeger, a liar, and a hypocrite. And it has absolutely nothing to do with you being jewish.

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  65. winnipeger says:

    forgive me, ticia, but i have no idea what you’re talking about.

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  66. ET says:

    winnipeger,
    I need to ignore your point by point, for now, because you have entirely missed my point. I invited you to listen and acknowledge others.
    Best, Ticia

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  67. winnipeger says:

    ticia,
    thanks for the invite and congratulations on your blog. i’ll make it a point to pop in and say hello soon.
    first of all, i’d like to acknowledge the healing/transformative tone of your post. that is something that this forum can use MUCH more of. there has been far to much angry and destructive rhetoric in these parts. as dr. king said, “you cannot transform hate with hate; only love can do that.
    and now, for my point by point response to your post:
    you wrote:
    “I am a Christian progressive and I could sound off daily about how Christians worldwide are called horrible names and relentlessly mocked and persecuted.”
    hmmm. i’m not aware of any large scale “anti-christianism” that is anywhere near as historically deep-rooted, significant, or that has been as repeatedly destructive to a single group of people as anti-semitism.
    you wrote:
    “But, at this present hour, I simply feel that it is a far more important priority for me to look at the behavior which incites such harsh language from otherwise wonderful people and to get the beam out of my own eye.”
    i completely disagree with you, ticia. there was no behavior on the part of my 12 year-old cousin, for example, which either caused or justified her to be rounded up with 75,000 other jews from bucharest and shipped off to nazi extermination camps where upon arrival she was sent to the right, along with her mother and 8 year-old brother and gassed.
    out of 30+ relatives (that we know of), only 2 survived the holocaust.
    anti-semitism is no run-of-the-mill hatred and there is no basis for it in truth. and, sorry, but yes, anyone who claims that there is *is* anti-semitic.
    you wrote:
    “I don’t believe it is our place at this moment to muzzle anyone’s speech when children are unjustly killed, and ethical persons are reacting vehemently against that, speaking for those who have no voice.”
    but, ticia, the truth is is that children and women and the elderly and other innocents have always been “unjustly” killed as a result of *WAR* in fact, if historians are correct, many more innocents died in the past than do today. nonetheless, any death is lamentable, and of course, a travesty. but, until we all figure out that hatred and anger ain’t gonna do nothin’ but *accelerate* the destruction we seek to end, we’re all gonna be shit out of luck and innocent kids will continue to die. this goes for you, me, the israelis, the palestinians, poa, and carroll, too.
    hate speech disseminates hatred, which in turn, increases anger, which in turn increases violence, which in turn leads to more innocent folks being killed.
    “Think of the Holocaust — would you object to people being outraged to the point of sounding like insane maniacs to try to commandeer ethical, moral and immediate attention to the plight of the victims?”
    some jews and others DID yell and scream and try to stop the holocast. unfortunately, the americans and the british were more concerned with stopping hitler. our government knew about the camps and we could have bombed them along with the railways used to transport jews and others, but we didn’t. roosevelt and churchill chose not too — yet another reason why as a jew i feel it is imperative to have a nation which is both a refuge to me (my 2 surviving great-uncles were forced to live on the run and in-hiding; as jews no country would accept them as immigrants) and has the capability to, God forbid, act in my defense.

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  68. stott says:

    Senators push for delegation to visit Hicks
    Australian Democrats Senator Natasha Stott Despoja wants the Federal Government to support a cross-party delegation to visit Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks.
    Senator Stott Despoja and another South Australian Senator, Labor’s Linda Kirk, are among a group of parliamentarians who will seek to visit Mr Hicks this year.
    The terrorism suspect will next week begin his sixth year of detention at the US military facility and is yet to be charged.
    Senator Stott Despoja says similar delegations from other countries have visited the facility.
    “Why is it that the United Kingdom and the United States who don’t have constituents in Guantanamo Bay, why have they had cross-party delegations visit Guantanamo Bay?” she said.
    “Isn’t it time we had a cross-party delegation of Australian politicians to visit our constituent David Hicks?”
    Senator Stott Despoja says the Australian has the right to be represented by his local senators.
    “His defence team is quite willing for us to visit him in Guantanamo Bay, yet Senator Kirk’s application has been rejected in the past,” she said.
    “We will be attempting to seek permission again this year to ensure that we have access to a man who is one of our constituents.”
    Mr Hicks, originally from Adelaide, has been held at Guantanamo Bay since 2002.
    The convert to Islam was captured in Afghanistan where he allegedly fought alongside the ruling Taliban against US-led forces who invaded after the terrorist attacks on the United States on September 11, 2001.
    The US charged him with conspiracy, attempted murder by an unprivileged belligerent and aiding the enemy.
    But the charges were dropped earlier this year, after the US Supreme Court ruled it was unlawful for the US military commission to try Mr Hicks

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  69. widget says:

    Hello Winnipegger
    I agree the language was VERY inflammatory. I just don’t agree it was therefore anti-semitic.
    Happy New Year.

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  70. ET says:

    winnipeger,
    You, MP, POA, Carroll and all twners, are welcome at my blog and in my space — anytime. I have had my feelings deeply hurt by people who use hatespeak against Christians, calling us all freaks, rightwingers, wing-nuts, etc. I love Jesus, he would not approve of hate in the heart — but there is a proper time and a place to call a spade a spade. I am a Christian progressive and I could sound off daily about how Christians worldwide are called horrible names and relentlessly mocked and persecuted. But, at this present hour, I simply feel that it is a far more important priority for me to look at the behavior which incites such harsh language from otherwise wonderful people and to get the beam out of my own eye — then, much later, I may be honored and graced by God to see clearly how to get the speck out of my brother’s eye. But, first, I must be willing to see and to prioritize. Jesus, also a Rabbi, taught proportionality and priority that comes from seeing into the soul.
    For me, you keep raising an issue of false moral equivalence. I don’t believe it is our place at this moment to muzzle anyone’s speech when children are unjustly killed, and ethical persons are reacting vehemently against that, speaking for those who have no voice. Think of the Holocaust — would you object to people being outraged to the point of sounding like insane maniacs to try to commandeer ethical, moral and immediate attention to the plight of the victims? If speaking out stops a child from needlessly dying, I have to say, please yell, scream, curse my behavior and even call me horrible names. It is a blessing to be corrected, not a curse. I will come to thank that person for helping me to see the error of my ways. When I look back on my life, the people who helped me most had the guts to get in my face and stop me from going further into sin. They did it with love or anger or even hate, but they did it, and I listened and I stopped. They stopped me nonviolently, but vehemently and passionately. The point is, it is not going to stop on its own, winnipeger. It must be stopped.
    It is an error of false moral equivalence to say that these words are to be dismissed as sinful without looking and listening for the substance of the complaint behind them. It is appropriate to scream bloody murder when the issue *is* bloody murder. You are supposed to react like that and so are others. Sometimes, we cannot send two messages. We must send one.
    Please don’t strain the gnat and ignore the camel right now. I listen to your feelings about anti-Semitism, and I have all my life. I try not to push your buttons insensitively, or needlessly, I love Jewish people in my personal life and in my workplace,and I have stood for them countless times, as they have for me. But please also train yourself to listen and to acknowledge here and now, at this blog, the deeply held feelings at the very bottom of the hearts of those whose words so offend you. Sometimes words are supposed to offend us, to the depths of our souls. I hope you can hear me and talk to me.
    Best, Ticia

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  71. winnipeger says:

    widget,
    your observation doesn’t wash. MP and others (including myself) have criticized israel often in regards to policy and leadership, much as we all do with our own government.
    but the rhetoric of the anti-israel crowd here and elsewhere is beyond the pale and oftentimes highly objectionable.
    maybe you think it’s ok to talk about hanging people (as carroll does above) and worse, but i don’t. further i *do not* believe that it is rational to accuse israel of every evil in the world, including genocide, and to accuse her of “putrid influence,” and to refer to her as “that criminally lawless joke known as israel.”
    please realize that someone here also recently threatened to “rip out their (israeli) intestines and shove them down their throats.” and worse.
    obviously this is a highly charged topic, with passionately held beliefs on both sides, but please understand that this forum has quite a checkered past when it comes to hate filled, and yes *anti-semitic* views expressed herein.

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  72. Widget says:

    Why is it that no one can criticise the actions of the Israeli Government without being accused of anti-semitic, ignorant or prejudiced.
    YOU are right MP, continuity.

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  73. david says:

    New day dawns
    The article “Top brass breaks ranks on Hicks” (January 2) quotes John Howard as saying, “the acceptability of him [Hicks] being kept in custody diminishes by the day”. If this is the case, why only after 1825 days does our Prime Minister now think it is less acceptable by the day. Has David Hicks passed some little-known legal standard whereby any day after 1800 days in solitary confinement without trial is unacceptable? It seems more likely that the polls have shown diminished support for Mr Howard’s inaction regarding the barbaric treatment of an Australian by US forces. Whatever the reason for another belated Howard awakening, bring Hicks home now.
    David Whitcombe Maroubra

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  74. Carroll says:

    I resolve to continue to point out the decline of America and the reasons for it….so that I can say I told you so.
    So to today’s point.
    I am listening to Reyes, Pelosi’s new Intell chairiman. You know, the guy who didn’t know the difference between Shiites and Sunni in Iraq. LOL So far his press interview has consisted of talking about how he hopes Texas is proud of him for his working his way into this important position. He also believes the failure of the CIA and intelligence agencies is due to the lack of hiring minorities..he didn’t say if he was talking about Arab minorities who speak the languages & know the ME or who..but he is making diversity hiring his number one goal as chairman.
    In talking about Iraq he did a wishy washy saying he should work with the WH and everyone and “can’t we all just get along”….a la Rodney King
    Huummm…if this guy isn’t sharper than he sounds he will be just a fop for dem & repub neo’s instead of a critical mind on the committee….
    The fops now probably outnumber the neo’s…gonna be some interesting times on the USS Titanic.

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  75. winnipeger says:

    don’t worry, MP. some things don’t *ever* change, they merely compound — like prejudice and ignorance.

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  76. Carroll says:

    There is another group of Americans that needs to drop through the trap door: The Zionist radio talkers. Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly, the Savage Wiener and all the rest who have screamed and urged the destruction of Moslems. The Wiener wants millions killed now. All of them call for the nuclear bombing of Iran. These loudmouths talk and talk, knowing that their homicidal words please the Israelis. They need to be shown that their vile words have consequences.
    Posted by Campbell at January 1, 2007 07:13 PM
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    Actually I am in favor of letting them talk all they want to….it’s the best way I know for the public to see what these racist are all about.
    They have done more to expose the Israeli and neo ideology and it’s putrid influence than all the peace activist.
    Give them all the rope they want, the better to hang them with in the end.

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  77. Daniel CAZ Greenberg says:

    That is a TERRIFIC picture.
    Happy new year to all three of you. :)

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  78. MP says:

    “The Crusaders from Old Europe and the rest of the truth and justice-seeking Free World want us to forget that Saddam was the ONLY national leader to openly compensate Palestinians for the illegal demolition of their homes, schools, and livelihoods by the criminally lawless joke known as Israel.
    The same gaggle of hypocrites fully endorses Israel’s attempt to collectively punish Palestinians for the outcome of a democratic election – until they recognise Israel’s Right to Exist. Of course this is an insane demand for a violently expansionist racist state, with ill-defined borders, to make on neighbours it has been stealing land from and ethnically cleansing for 60 years.”
    Ah, lest we think (hope!) that anti-Semitism went out with the old year…
    Oh and here comes another…
    “There is another group of Americans that needs to drop through the trap door: The Zionist radio talkers. Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly, the Savage Wiener and all the rest who have screamed and urged the destruction of Moslems. The Wiener wants millions killed now. All of them call for the nuclear bombing of Iran. These loudmouths talk and talk, knowing that their homicidal words please the Israelis. They need to be shown that their vile words have consequences.”
    Nothing like continuity from one year to the next!

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  79. ET says:

    Dear Rich, POA and all interested TWNers,
    I just started Impeachment Watch on my blog at TPM Cafe. Contributors & visitors are welcome. We’re studying and collecting resources and communicating about the various action plans ongoing.
    Keep hope alive, dear Americans. We have to find a way to get our love back and our beautiful country back. We’re the People. Together, we can do this.
    Happy New Year, 2007!

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  80. cherish says:

    I’m just curious to know if Steve or anyone has a way to verify this story out of the UK.
    http://www.worldreports.org/news/38_paulson_and_cheney_s
    If it’s true, as the author says his seven sources high up in the UK gov’t say it is, January will be a very interesting month.
    This is a related story:
    http://tekgnosis.typepad.com/tekgnosis/2006/11/high_crimes_bei.html

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  81. rich says:

    How is it people can invert the hurt? Turn the issue of impeachment on its head by claiming it’s somehow impeachment that causes trouble?
    It is the crimes and violations of law that have caused damage to this country–not impeachment.
    The policies and actions of the Bush administration–those ARE the trauma.
    Impeachment is the cure.
    The Orwellian nature of the debate around impeachment, by those opposed, has been just as disturbing as Bush’s policies. Love the NYTs piece on miscarriage of justice at Guantanamo. The headphones and goggles are torture any way you look at it. They’re used to degrade, dehumanize, shatter, and extinguish.

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  82. Pissed Off American says:

    Unbelievable. The very people that Bush claims are the “enemy” in Iraq, Sadr’s people, are the self same people that were taunting Saddam at his execution, and dancing around Saddam’s dead body. This fucking pathetic buffoon in the Oval Office is deranged, and he has handed Iran and radical Islamists Iraq on a silver platter. We need to impeach this son of a bitch NOW, before the damned fool can do anymore damage.

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  83. Pissed Off American says:

    My resolution is to find out how long a “last throe” is, even if it kills me………
    hmmmmmm……..
    ….on second thought……..

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  84. Dan Kervick says:

    I also resolved to do what I can to redirect America”s foreign policy. I’m less well-positioned than Steve to have much of an effect, but I’ll do what I can.
    Specifically, my aim is to help thwart what I see as a drift toward a neo-Cold War policy agenda – an agenda which has substantial support right now in both the Republican and Democratic parties. The choice is between a policy that puts its faith in broad-based global cooperation and gradual progressive change in the context of a messy but stable peace, and one that aims at a romantic Democracy Jihad against all of the ideological enemies, real or imagined, of the American Way of Life.
    As global tensions mount, I increasingly see our choice as a simple one: war or peace?
    I would really love to see things straighten out internationally, so I can go back to catching sqirrels or whatever the hell it is I did before 9/11 came along and made me get all political. I really hate politics, with its world of continous lies and distortion. And I would dearly love to see the world in the hands of people I can trust, so I can return to intellectual pursuits in which there is more truth to be found.

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  85. John says:

    Steve,
    You should resolve to teach Annie to track down neo-cons whereever they are. It shouldn’t be hard, since they have a noticeable stench, try as they may to mask it with perfume and elegant words.
    You should also teach Oakley to become the Incredible Lie Detecting Weimaraner…

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  86. Earl says:

    Oh Steve! You are a fortunate man to have a new puppy for the new year. There ain’t nothing like a hound to show you how much fun life is supposed to be. I’m a dyed in the wool cat & kitten man myself, but those furry children are the real deal. They really keep you grounded when the the human race lets you down.
    Peace to you and yours.

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  87. ET says:

    2007: Soldier-Activists on the Move
    In the most significant movement of dissident soldiers since Vietnam, nearly 1,000 active-duty officers and enlisted personnel have petitioned the government to withdraw from Iraq.
    “As a patriotic American proud to serve the nation in uniform, I respectfully urge my political leaders in Congress to support the prompt withdrawal of all American military forces and bases from Iraq. Staying in Iraq will not work and is not worth the price. It is time for U.S. troops to come home.”
    Full story, About Face: Soldiers call for Iraq Withdrawal, appears here:
    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070101/cooperweb

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  88. Campbell says:

    There is another group of Americans that needs to drop through the trap door: The Zionist radio talkers. Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly, the Savage Wiener and all the rest who have screamed and urged the destruction of Moslems. The Wiener wants millions killed now. All of them call for the nuclear bombing of Iran. These loudmouths talk and talk, knowing that their homicidal words please the Israelis. They need to be shown that their vile words have consequences.

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  89. RABBLE WITH A CAUSE says:

    My resolutions for 2007 are the same ones I have faithfully carried out since 1997.
    I renew my resolve to identify and protest those U.S. policies that are contributing to Middle Eastern violence.
    I renew my resolve to help make for a Healthier New Year to those Americans living on the streets of the United States who, by virtue of their misfortunes, are unable to read this: YOU ARE NOT FORGOTTEN.
    I renew my resolve to assist in facilitating a new year of solidarity with our fellow citizens of the world who demand that the United States cease and desist using its wealth to initiate wars. That is ABSOLUTELY NOT THE WAY I want my tax dollars to be used.
    RABBLE WITH A CAUSE

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  90. Neil says:

    Neil Maydom
    Why did they lynch Saddam?
    It’s quite awe-inspiring when a gaggle of unrepresentative Christian liars and mass murderers sets up a Kangaroo court to sanitise the lynching of a lesser Moslem mass murderer than themselves – in the name of Justice.
    The Crusaders from Old Europe and the rest of the truth and justice-seeking Free World want us to forget that Saddam was the ONLY national leader to openly compensate Palestinians for the illegal demolition of their homes, schools, and livelihoods by the criminally lawless joke known as Israel.
    The same gaggle of hypocrites fully endorses Israel’s attempt to collectively punish Palestinians for the outcome of a democratic election – until they recognise Israel’s Right to Exist. Of course this is an insane demand for a violently expansionist racist state, with ill-defined borders, to make on neighbours it has been stealing land from and ethnically cleansing for 60 years.
    If Israel can’t remember, or explain, where its borders are, maybe it’s time for the whole world to recognise its Right to Exit.

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  91. tucker's bow tie says:

    Dr. Hansen’s new year’s resolution: Act now on carbon emissions.
    “Half the people in the world live within 15 miles of a coastline. A large fraction of the major cities are on coastlines. And the problem is that once you get the process started and well on the way, it’s impossible to prevent it. That’s why we need to address the issue before it gets out of control.”
    http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2116874.ece
    (yes *that* Dr. Hansen…)
    http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2006/02/20060203_a_main.asp

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  92. tucker's bow tie says:

    Dr. Hansen’s new year’s resolution: Act now on carbon emissions.
    “Half the people in the world live within 15 miles of a coastline. A large fraction of the major cities are on coastlines. And the problem is that once you get the process started and well on the way, it’s impossible to prevent it. That’s why we need to address the issue before it gets out of control.”
    http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2116874.ece
    http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2116873.ece
    ..yes *that* Dr. Hansen…
    http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2006/02/20060203_a_main.asp

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  93. robert says:

    What a disgraceful and barbaric show of utter arrogance by the USA and for Australia to support such action is saying enough about the state of this country, an illegal invasion of a free and independant country on account of lies,deception and political greed, the murder of millions of innocent civilians, a fixed and corrupt trial by the US occupacion force and now that barbaric show oof publically assasination their political opponents, the USA says to the rest of the world we can carry out whatever attrocities and war crimes we wish, we have the military power and that gives us the right, Iraq was a thousand fold safer under Saddam, to kill him for political gains is just another sign that the USA has crossed the line of human dignity and honor a long time ago, it is George Bush alongside that ugly short and utterly corrupt politician John Howard who should have been led to the gallows not Saddam.
    If there is a god, let us pray he punishes the guilty.
    Posted by: Robert Shaw at January 1, 2007 12:54 PM

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  94. KathyF says:

    Tell Oakley he should come over here. The squirrels are pretty easy pickings. My dog caught one in the wood next to Tony Blair’s estate, Chequers. No word on if the deed was caught on security cameras.

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