President Kirchner’s Powerful Statement of Support for Same Sex Marriage Equality

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As I write this, it is 3:40 am in Buenos Aires where the Argentine Senate is debating a same sex marriage equality bill.
I am now in China, where President Cristina Fern

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10 comments on “President Kirchner’s Powerful Statement of Support for Same Sex Marriage Equality

  1. Don Bacon says:

    The Inter American Convention of Children

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  2. Don Bacon says:

    Luis A. F. Wetzler JD:
    Why are you ashamed of democracy in action?
    It’s ridiculous to claim, on etymological grounds, that allowing more people to marry, in fact expanding the institution, is destroying the institution of matrimony. Something expanding is not being destroyed. And the Inter American Convention of Children

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  3. Luis A. F. Wetzler JD says:

    As an Argentine citizen, I am totally ashamed with the decision made by the Congress, following “orders” of Mrs. Kirchner. In just few weeks, the Kirchner government and their clique are destroying the institution of matrimony. Matrimony comes from Latin

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  4. rc says:

    Well actually the Islamic foundation myths state the male and female were created both at the same time and equal. I’m not sure about other non-Judaic myths such as the Hindu, but ‘shifting the burden’ of shame and guilt to the female is a classic political stratum.
    Why it is so strong in Jewish traditions is anyone’s guess. My view is it probably can be traced back to reactions to male infant genital mutilation (at around 8 days) and primitive psycho-blood consumption rites that are alleged to sometimes accompany these pseudo-castration procedures.
    I think we have generally progressed biological science far beyond the need for these primitive and simplistic creation narratives. But if you have a 13 year-old reading age then what can one expect? Childish comic stories will suffice.
    And so, did Adam’s male cat donate his cat rib to create the female cat, and his male dog buddy his for his bitch? …
    Please, one only has to achieve 101-level rationality on this unanswerable issue and ask something basic such as ‘why do males have nipples?’ to see the idiocy at work in human thinking.
    IMO the male is obviously a variant of the female (and/or common ancestor), and, being one myself, an improved model for that! .. ;-)p
    The male has both ‘x’ and ‘y’ characteristics and this obviously implies there is an inherent dual nature. It is therefore reasonable to assume that given certain environmental conditions (including the socio-cultural) the ‘x’ factor may emerge to dominate the psyche.
    For what it’s worth, my reading on these topics also suggests, with obvious fundamentalist prejudices aside, that it is only the actual act of sodomy that is expressly prohibited in the Islamic system. Other issues of male intimacy are just best left unsaid and resolved in private, and therefore neither here-nor-there as long as viable social structures are maintained.
    The challenge now in the modern world is to create those viable structures etc. I note, but have lost the reference, the stories of the indigenous American Indians where the males decamp to one side of a river (as part of an inter gender war) and eventually fail as a viable system through lack of access to the feminine. Sounds like the US military situation to me.
    I don’t share Clemons’ preferences, but neither am I prejudiced against an obviously necessary role for a third-sex role (within limits). He does a good and valid job raising these topics in context. It seems to me, the core issue for the contemporary berdache is one of negotiating limits.

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  5. Beth in VA says:

    Very good news! Go Argentina!

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  6. larry birnbaum says:

    It’s a great thing.
    Perhaps someday Clemons can address the issue of gay rights… or women’s rights… or minority rights… or human rights… in the Muslim world and the Arab world in particular. And then after that he can meditate on the question of whether there’s any relationship between these things and the conflict that we find ourselves in. Or that the Israelis find themselves in.
    But I’m not holding my breath.

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  7. Don Bacon says:

    The Kirchners had the intestinal fortitude to take on the Catholic church and win. Until American political leaders address the wrongness of the US religious opposition to abortion and gay rights there can be no lasting progress. The Christian bible is very clear on female inferiority and on marriage, and these have to be confronted.
    “Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.” –Genesis 3:16
    “Then the rib which the LORD God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man. And Adam said: ‘This is now bone of my bones And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man.’ Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.”

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  8. JohnH says:

    Rachel Podhoretz Decter Abrams, the wife of prominent Israel Firster Eliot Abrams, has issues with gays.
    http://www.lobelog.com/rachel-abrams-gay-problem/
    What a surprise! Bigots don’t usually limit their gusher of intense hatred to a single group.

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  9. non-hater says:

    I’m not a big fan of political dynasties, which Argentina seems to have a fondness for. But the Kirchner clan has been better than most.

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  10. rc says:

    Based on some of your earlier posts on this general topic, and not having an axe to grind in either case, I did some research into the term “Berdache” which came up as a word to describe the indigenous American Indian social-spiritual context before European conquest.
    Very interesting, including the roles of these third-sex males (and females) in both shamanistic and war (support) work. It appears there are legitimate places and roles in ancient societies and cultures.
    On the thesis that eventually the land and sense-of-place regains the upper hand, then there is every indication that US society and even the military will eventually adopt legitimate roles for these two-spirit people who follow the moon spirit (i.e. the higher feminine) according to tradition.
    Where does one look for the theology of denial of this type of diversity? The Middle East! Why is this so?
    A quick google on the term will provide many links to historic and modern literature on the topic. This is one of the more visually startling just encountered — http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDklj0QpQ7s

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