The View from My Window: Tripoli

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Greetings to readers of The Washington Note from Tripoli, Libya. This is a place I never really thought I’d get to — but I’m here. And after just an hour, I’m finding all sorts of things of interest.
When I was last in Istanbul and in Beijing, I couldn’t get on to YouTube — and frequently when I travel, I have a tough time accessing Facebook.
Libya passes the Facebook test and YouTube test with flying colors. No blocks that I have run into yet. Twitter works too.
On another front, I just saw that an interview I did with NPR’s Michele Kelemen just appeared on line.
Here’s the link to the whole transcript and show but also a teaser:

Mr. ROBERT SATLOFF (Washington Institute for Near East Policy): I think the idea that the Israelis somehow have to meet an American test to show their commitment to peace is quite odd and strange in credulity.
KELEMEN: Satloff is hoping that this is just a passing storm, though he does have lingering concerns about a trust deficit in the relationship. The initial AIPAC response didn’t say anything about what Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu could do to restore trust. So, Steve Clemons of the New America Foundation decided as a joke to rewrite to the AIPAC statement for his blog, urging Israel to take immediate steps to diffuse tensions with the U.S.
Mr. STEVEN CLEMONS (New America Foundation): I just kind of did a 180-degree flip, and I actually did it in four minutes. I re-wrote it in four minutes. It got a lot of play on the Internet.
KELEMEN: Clemons says it’s time for well-meaning supporters of the U.S.-Israel relationship to encourage more responsible behavior from this Israeli government, particularly on the issue of expanding Jewish settlements.
Mr. CLEMONS: The whole notion that there’s no space or no light between the U.S. and Israeli positions is a ridiculous formulation because we’re both sovereign governments with interests that often converge and some interests that diverge, and we’re going to have to occasionally wrestle over those.

More soon.
– Steve Clemons

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  3. Revia says:

    Let the Israelis determine their own levels of
    commitment to peace and engagement in foreign
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  4. John says:

    Simply put, America and Israel have to continue working together. I have not been real keen on the current administrations stance and their approach on some different issues.

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  6. Sweetness says:

    Nadine: “Sweetness, the essential point is that the Jews are one
    of the longest-surviving ethnic groups on the planet, that the
    Jews of today descend culturally and largely genetically from the
    Jews of antiquity. Jews don’t claim to be a “race” and come in all
    colors, so I’m not sure where your squeamishness is coming
    from – is nobody allowed to claim lines of descent?”
    Well, yes and no. It’s just that the genetic argument does move
    the argument into matters of biology and “race,” however
    freakishly defined. At different times, there have been lots of
    intermarriage and conversion, and all those “Ruths” didn’t
    “descend” from the originals in any normal sense of the word–
    and certainly not genetically.
    We aren’t talking about animals here; we’re talking about people,
    where culture is more important than bloodline.
    On the other hand, converts do become members of “the Jewish
    people” and do inherit Jewish history as it were “as their own.”
    I think we agree to some extent on this point. The genetics are
    interesting and good for countering folks who claim the Jews
    never stepped foot on the land, e.g., Ashkenazis aren’t real Jews
    and that sort of thing. But, personally, the genetic argument
    leads to anti-Semitic arguments about race and inherent
    qualities and the ugliest of claims.
    In short, a convert is a “real Jew.” Many know more and take it
    more seriously than do those who got it at birth and never paid
    attention to it afterward.

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  7. nadine says:

    Juan Cole is one of the promoters of this series of maps (at link below) purporting to show how Palestine belonged to the Palestinians until those dastardly Jews came and stole it away. So false is the story promoted that The Economist, not exactly a hotbed of Zionism, took the time to explain how the maps have been falsified by conflating land ownership with political control when convenient, and to say that Juan Cole “should have known better” as a Mideast scholar.
    http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2010/03/israel_and_palestine_0
    Nothing fazed, Cole then came out with his arguments that Jerusalem rightly belongs to anyone but the Jews. He’s basically arguing that when Jews didn’t have political control, they lost all claim, and the periods when they did have political control are mythical, so they don’t count.

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  8. nadine says:

    Sweetness, the essential point is that the Jews are one of the longest-surviving ethnic groups on the planet, that the Jews of today descend culturally and largely genetically from the Jews of antiquity. Jews don’t claim to be a “race” and come in all colors, so I’m not sure where your squeamishness is coming from – is nobody allowed to claim lines of descent? The salient point is that all Jewish groups show Near-Eastern descent, even the ones who lived in Europe since the early Middle Ages.
    “The post was made in rebuttal to Bibi’s contention that Jews built Jerusalem.”
    No, Cole rebutted a claim Bibi never made: that the Jews founded Jerusalem. Bibi would never say that. The Bible says that King David took the Jebusite city of Jerusalem. Bibi said the Jews were building the city for 3000 years. That Cole put different words in Bibi’s mouth so he could refute them, is just part of the twisted and tendentious nature of Cole’s argument.
    “I think he wants to counter bad current policy. ”
    The current “bad policy” that Cole want to reverse is the existence of Israel. The official Palestinian position is that they want more Israeli withdrawals in exchange for nothing but increased Palestinian “resistance” (= terror war).
    People who are for this who aren’t stupid, just want Israel to be dismembered. It is the official position of the PA that Jews have NO history in Palestine. None. The Temple never existed, the Bible happened somewhere else. There were never any Jews in Palestine before 1948. That’s what the PA says on its media, and teaches their children. Juan Cole is trying to make this total revision of history respectable, in service to the Palestinian cause.

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  9. Sweetness says:

    Nadine, don’t get too twisted around the pole. What I posted
    was someone else’s comment to Cole’s post–mostly to give
    some balance. More below…
    Quote: “The Jews of 70 are not genetically connected to the Jews
    of 1940. They do not speak the same languages. They do not
    follow the all of the same religious practices, which varied in
    both periods.”
    Nadine: Not true. DNA studies disprove the first assertion, since
    Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jewish groups, who separated about
    then, are extremely closely related, which means both must
    descend from the Jews of Roman Judea, and their genes show a
    Near Eastern origin. Genetic studies have even identified
    haplotypes associated with Kohen descent, cf.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Aaron
    SN: I think you are correct. I don’t know if “extremely close” is
    right, but there is a connection. But I find the genetic argument
    a weak reed that also leads to uncomfortable consequences
    (racism, for one). I find it enough to say that Jews do have an
    historical connection to the land–no question.
    Nadine: Both groups of Jews know or speak Hebrew and
    Aramaic, the languages of that period (The Talmud is written in
    Aramaic and religious Jews learn it). Their religious practices are
    extremely similar, allowing for minor discrepancies (for example
    the Ashkenazi Jews outlawed polygamy around 1000 CE, the
    Sephardim didn’t).
    SN: True, sort of. Most Jews know neither language. But there
    is no question that the texts are written in those languages.
    Nadine: So your statement is wrong on all counts.
    SN: You hardly touched most of the statement which is not
    mine, in any case.
    Nadine: Juan Cole is giving a twisted history that is anti-Semitic
    in its intent: to claim there is no relation between the Jews today
    and the Jews of the Bible, which he takes as the opposite of
    history, completely to be disregarded. (Nobody else’s ancient
    sources get totally disregarded like this; Egyptian monuments
    are actually cited as evidence, but never mind).
    SN: I suspect Cole is not anti-Semitic. The post was made in
    rebuttal to Bibi’s contention that Jews built Jerusalem. But using
    ancient history to justify every twist and turn in modern policies
    is a dangerous path. Mostly, it’s nonsense. George Washington
    kept slaves; that doesn’t mean we should.
    Nadine: His tendentious screed also ignores other ancient
    sources for the history of the Jews, such as the Persians, Philo,
    Josephus, the Roman historians, the Talmud etc. There is
    archaeological evidence going back to the reign of Hezekiah (8th
    cen bce); recent digs are finding “City of David” evidence in the
    11th century bce.
    SN: Yes, and you should link to them.
    Nadine: As for why he’s doing it, he wants to claim that the Jews
    have no relation to Palestine but conquest. That’s because he
    hates Israel and wants to delegitimize it. Normally having a 3000
    year history in your homeland gives you a leg up in the ‘right to
    self-determination’ sweeps. Cole is determined to deprive the
    Jews of any such legitimacy.
    SN: I think he wants to counter bad current policy. He’s written
    SOME pro-Israel posts. YOU might not think so–you think J
    Street is anti-Israel–but I’ve read them and that’s my view,
    FWIW. I do think you’ve captured some of Carroll’s motivation
    here, however, I’ll grant you that.

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  10. nadine says:

    One more point: Juan Cole tries to make out that the present day Palestinians are all descendants of the Greeks and Jews who lived in Palestine in the 7th century, which rather ignores the many conquerors who have swept over the land since then: Arabs, Crusaders, Mongols, Turks, etc. etc. Or the fact that 19th century Palestine had only 300,000 people at one point, and was repopulated by Arab as well as Jewish immigration. It was a lot easier for the Arabs to come, they only had to cross a porous border.

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  11. nadine says:

    Btw, Bibi was citing a signet ring found in Jerusalem with the Hebrew name “Netanyahu Ben Yoash” carved on it, not just Biblical history. It dated to the 7th or 8th century bce, I believe.

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  12. nadine says:

    The Jews of 70 are not genetically connected to the Jews of 1940. They do not speak the same languages. They do not follow the all of the same religious practices, which varied in both periods.
    Not true. DNA studies disprove the first assertion, since Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jewish groups, who separated about then, are extremely closely related, which means both must descend from the Jews of Roman Judea, and their genes show a Near Eastern origin. Genetic studies have even identified haplotypes associated with Kohen descent, cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Aaron
    Both groups of Jews know or speak Hebrew and Aramaic, the languages of that period (The Talmud is written in Aramaic and religious Jews learn it). Their religious practices are extremely similar, allowing for minor discrepancies (for example the Ashkenazi Jews outlawed polygamy around 1000 CE, the Sephardim didn’t).
    So your statement is wrong on all counts.
    Juan Cole is giving a twisted history that is anti-Semitic in its intent: to claim there is no relation between the Jews today and the Jews of the Bible, which he takes as the opposite of history, completely to be disregarded. (Nobody else’s ancient sources get totally disregarded like this; Egyptian monuments are actually cited as evidence, but never mind).
    His tendentious screed also ignores other ancient sources for the history of the Jews, such as the Persians, Philo, Josephus, the Roman historians, the Talmud etc. There is archaeological evidence going back to the reign of Hezekiah (8th cen bce); recent digs are finding “City of David” evidence in the 11th century bce.
    As for why he’s doing it, he wants to claim that the Jews have no relation to Palestine but conquest. That’s because he hates Israel and wants to delegitimize it. Normally having a 3000 year history in your homeland gives you a leg up in the ‘right to self-determination’ sweeps. Cole is determined to deprive the Jews of any such legitimacy.

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  13. Sweetness says:

    Well, I did go to the Juan Cole post and read all of it. It actually isn’t long (unless you’re not used to reading much), and it IS interesting.
    A number of the respondents asked Juan for his sources, in part because there is controversy over the history and Shlomo Sands books is not the “last word” on the subject. You would never know there was controversy, however, from Juan’s post.
    But with this I DO agree: Simply taking the Biblical narrative as pure history is a mistake, and Bibi is an ass for making that argument or using it as justification for immoral policies. And Juan does admit to a Jewish connection to Jerusalem, an historical connection that is real.
    Among the commenters, who are mostly high-fivers, there was this post, which was ALSO interesting:
    “Do you need all this ancient history to justify Zionism? Maybe yes. Maybe no.
    There was a Jewish vassal/client state in the land that is now Palestine Israel during the Roman period. There were parts of that territory in which those people who worshipped Yahweh exclusively were the majority. Some of the worshippers of Yahweh were not Jews, such as Samaritans. Some were Jews and called Jews and seen as a distinct people with special privileges granted by the Roman authorities. The vast majority of Jews did not live in Israel/Palestine. Josepheus is the only comprehensive source for much of this material.
    Still, there was a people called Jews with a temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD and there was a people called Jews who venerated the idea of Jerusalem in 1940 AD.
    The Jews of 70 are not genetically connected to the Jews of 1940. They do not speak the same languages. They do not follow the all of the same religious practices, which varied in both periods.
    Still, there is some continuity between these peoples the first five books of the Torah, the food laws, the holidays. Is that enough to justify the creation of a state in a territory?
    The Palestinian gene pool certainly contains the highest concentration of genes of those people who lives in the land in 70 AD. But they are not Jews. Should there not be a place in the land for people who continue to venerate the books venerated in 70 AD, since the Jewish people never relinquished their claim to a piece of the land and some sort of Jewish people continued to exist, even if the modern Jewish population is descended from the Jews of the Hellenistic Diaspora.
    When Cyrus the Great allowed the elite Judeans to return to Jerusalem following his conquest of Babylon, returning exiles and those followers of Yahweh who remained did not see eye to eye. In fact, the first prohibitions against intermarriage between Jews and non-Jews deal with marriages between those followers of Yahweh who were sent to Babylon and those that remained in the land of Judea under the Babylonians. Israel had already been conquered by the Assyrians and the Samaritans were the decendants of the proto-Jews left behind.
    In the 5th century BC, there was conflict between an elite group of returnees and their kin left behind. There are some rough parallels to the situation today.”

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  14. Sweetness says:

    11. And the now the Jews rule it.
    What’s the point?

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  15. Carroll says:

    Juan Cole has put up a real history outline on Jerusalem to counter the myths.
    Long but worth it.
    Very interesting……I had read about the original Canaanites but forgot the details.
    ‘Jerusalem was not founded by Jews, i.e. adherents of the Jewish religion. It was founded between 3000 BCE and 2600 BCE by a West Semitic people or possibly the Canaanites, the common ancestors of Palestinians, Lebanese, many Syrians and Jordanians, and many Jews. But when it was founded Jews did not exist.
    4. Jerusalem was founded in honor of the ancient god Shalem. It does not mean City of Peace but rather ‘built-up place of Shalem.”
    5. The “Jewish people” were not building Jerusalem 3000 years ago, i.e. 1000 BCE. First of all, it is not clear when exactly Judaism as a religion centered on the worship of the one God took firm form. It appears to have been a late development since no evidence of worship of anything but ordinary Canaanite deities has been found in archeological sites through 1000 BCE. There was no invasion of geographical Palestine from Egypt by former slaves in the 1200s BCE. The pyramids had been built much earlier and had not used slave labor. The chronicle of the events of the reign of Ramses II on the wall in Luxor does not know about any major slave revolts or flights by same into the Sinai peninsula. Egyptian sources never heard of Moses or the 12 plagues & etc. Jews and Judaism emerged from a certain social class of Canaanites over a period of centuries inside Palestine.
    6. Jerusalem not only was not being built by the likely then non-existent “Jewish people” in 1000 BCE, but Jerusalem probably was not even inhabited at that point in history. Jerusalem appears to have been abandoned between 1000 BCE and 900 BCE, the traditional dates for the united kingdom under David and Solomon. So Jerusalem was not ‘the city of David,’ since there was no city when he is said to have lived. No sign of magnificent palaces or great states has been found in the archeology of this period, and the Assyrian tablets, which recorded even minor events throughout the Middle East, such as the actions of Arab queens, don’t know about any great kingdom of David and Solomon in geographical Palestine.
    7. Since archeology does not show the existence of a Jewish kingdom or kingdoms in the so-called First Temple Period, it is not clear when exactly the Jewish people would have ruled Jerusalem except for the Hasmonean Kingdom. The Assyrians conquered Jerusalem in 722. The Babylonians took it in 597 and ruled it until they were themselves conquered in 539 BCE by the Achaemenids of ancient Iran, who ruled Jerusalem until Alexander the Great took the Levant in the 330s BCE. Alexander’s descendants, the Ptolemies ruled Jerusalem until 198 when Alexander’s other descendants, the Seleucids, took the city. With the Maccabean Revolt in 168 BCE, the Jewish Hasmonean kingdom did rule Jerusalem until 37 BCE, though Antigonus II Mattathias, the last Hasmonean, only took over Jerusalem with the help of the Parthian dynasty in 40 BCE. Herod ruled 37 BCE until the Romans conquered what they called Palestine in 6 CE (CE= ‘Common Era’ or what Christians call AD). The Romans and then the Eastern Roman Empire of Byzantium ruled Jerusalem from 6 CE until 614 CE when the Iranian Sasanian Empire Conquered it, ruling until 629 CE when the Byzantines took it back.
    The Muslims conquered Jerusalem in 638 and ruled it until 1099 when the Crusaders conquered it. The Crusaders killed or expelled Jews and Muslims from the city. The Muslims under Saladin took it back in 1187 CE and allowed Jews to return, and Muslims ruled it until the end of World War I, or altogether for about 1192 years.
    Adherents of Judaism did not found Jerusalem. It existed for perhaps 2700 years before anything we might recognize as Judaism arose. Jewish rule may have been no longer than 170 years or so, i.e., the kingdom of the Hasmoneans.
    8. Therefore if historical building of Jerusalem and historical connection with Jerusalem establishes sovereignty over it as Netanyahu claims, here are the groups that have the greatest claim to the city:
    A. The Muslims, who ruled it and built it over 1191 years.
    B. The Egyptians, who ruled it as a vassal state for several hundred years in the second millennium BCE.
    C. The Italians, who ruled it about 444 years until the fall of the Roman Empire in 450 CE.
    D. The Iranians, who ruled it for 205 years under the Achaemenids, for three years under the Parthians (insofar as the last Hasmonean was actually their vassal), and for 15 years under the Sasanids.
    E. The Greeks, who ruled it for over 160 years if we count the Ptolemys and Seleucids as Greek. If we count them as Egyptians and Syrians, that would increase the Egyptian claim and introduce a Syrian one.
    F. The successor states to the Byzantines, which could be either Greece or Turkey, who ruled it 188 years, though if we consider the heir to be Greece and add in the time the Hellenistic Greek dynasties ruled it, that would give Greece nearly 350 years as ruler of Jerusalem.
    G. There is an Iraqi claim to Jerusalem based on the Assyrian and Babylonian conquests, as well as perhaps the rule of the Ayyubids (Saladin’s dynasty), who were Kurds from Iraq.
    9. Of course, Jews are historically connected to Jerusalem by the Temple, whenever that connection is dated to. But that link mostly was pursued when Jews were not in political control of the city, under Iranian, Greek and Roman rule. It cannot therefore be deployed to make a demand for political control of the whole city.
    10. The Jews of Jerusalem and the rest of Palestine did not for the most part leave after the failure of the Bar Kochba revolt against the Romans in 136 CE. They continued to live there and to farm in Palestine under Roman rule and then Byzantine. They gradually converted to Christianity. After 638 CE all but 10 percent gradually converted to Islam. The present-day Palestinians are the descendants of the ancient Jews and have every right to live where their ancestors have lived for centuries.

    PS: The sources are in the hyperlinks, especially the Thompson edited volume. See also Shlomo Sands recent book.

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  16. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Oh good lord.
    What the hell do you know about “intellectual integrity”, you blathering blustering jackass?
    If you had any, the last person on Earth you would defend is Nadine or those of her propaganda slinging ilk.

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  17. kotzabasis says:

    One can ignore the factual cogent arguments of Nadine only at the expense of one’s intellectual integrity.

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  18. Pahlavan says:

    When treason is the truth, the form of patriotism that some are promoting becomes pure ignorance. Thus routinely resorting to qualifiers like “lefties” labeled on people (regardless of their party affiliation) who disagree with hawkish war mongers lacking the intellectual capacity, real independence or statesmanship required to engage an adversary, you are simply feeding the under current that’s quietly taking form in mainstream America. Yet you rather assume and promote that others are trying to export their ideology to change our way of life.
    The NYT and WSJ blogs may be effective in flushing out the racists among the herd, but without some objective thinking, the under current is only going to get worse.
    So wake up and smell the coffee! Even Winston Churchill can turn over such blind loyalty to a 50+ year old policy.

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  19. nadine says:

    David, Joseph Stack, the guy who flew the plane into the IRS building, was a leftist who left a long screed that railed against GW Bush as well as the IRS. Look it up. Yes I know MSNBC said he was on the right. Try to get out of the left-wing echo chamber sometime, it will do you good.
    Out of curiosity, if you think POS doesn’t hate America, could you find one good thing he has ever said about it, one example of a positive American action abroad?

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  20. robert says:

    Let the Israelis determine their own levels of
    commitment to peace and engagement in foreign
    relations.

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  21. Don Bacon says:

    Quoting again from Clinton’s AIPAC speech:
    “Under President Obama’s leadership, we have reinvigorated defense consultations, redoubled our efforts to ensure Israel’s qualitative military edge, and provided nearly $3 billion in annual military assistance. In fact, as Rosy told you – or maybe it was Howard – that assistance increased in 2010 and we have requested another increase for 2011.” (Applause)
    As I wrote, “Rosy” would be AIPAC President Lee (Rosy) Rosenberg. And now, thanks to Col. Lang, we know more.
    (IsraelNN.com) Lee “Rosy” Rosenberg, a jazz recording industry veteran capitalist who accompanied U.S. President Barack Obama on his campaign trip to Israel two years ago, takes over on Sunday as the new president of American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). Rosenberg also served on the president’s national campaign finance committee.
    “The new AIPAC president hails from Chicago, the home state of President Obama, and also is on first-name terms with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod, President Obama’s senior advisor.
    “Steve Rosen, a former 23-year, high-ranking AIPAC official, told the Chicago Tribune, “I don’t think AIPAC has made any secret of the reality that his friendship with the president played a role in Rosy’s rise. He’s a guy who works very hard at fundraising [and] in the political arena. It was not as if he was plucked out of nowhere. He paid his dues. But I’m sure nobody was blind to the fact that he’s from Chicago.“
    “Rosenberg is known as an expert in bringing in big money from powerful people who generally are not outwardly committed to Israel.”

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  22. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Logical conclusion;
    Hillary “Kneepads” Clinton is full of shit, Obama has no balls, Netanayu is an arrogant racist asshole, and there will NEVER be a two state solution.
    And we are pissing billions of dollars away in a concerted effort to destroy that last vestiges of credibility we have with the world community.
    And thats MY tax money these pathetic groveling cowards are pissin’ away.

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  23. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “When Prime Minister Netanyahu and I spoke, I suggested a number of concrete steps Israel could take to improve the atmosphere and rebuild confidence. The prime minister responded with specific actions Israel is prepared to take toward this end, and we discussed a range of other mutual confidence-building measures. Senator Mitchell continued this discussion in Israel over the weekend and is meeting with President Abbas today. We are making progress” – Hillary “Kneepads” Clinton
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/22/netanyahu-nixes-east-jerusalem-building-curbs/
    Netanyahu nixes East Jerusalem building curbs -
    Washington TimesMar 22, 2010 …
    Israel will not restrict construction in East Jerusalem, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday, despite a clear US demand that …continues…
    http://news.antiwar.com/2010/03/22/netanyahu-rebukes-obama-in-aipac-speech/
    Netanyahu Rebukes Obama in AIPAC Speech
    Slams “Unjust Accusations” Against Israel
    by Jason Ditz, March 22, 2010
    Though many expected him to deliver a more measured response in the wake of last week’s very public row with the United States, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu delivered another angry rebuke to the Obama Administration over the settlement expansion which stalled the US brokered indirect peace talks.
    Netanyahu declared that the settlements in occupied East Jerusalem weren’t technically settlements at all, because “everyone knows” that Jerusalem will be the eternal and undivided capital of Israel. Israel invaded and occupied East Jerusalem in 1967, along with the rest of the West Bank, and its legal control over the territory has never been established in international law.
    But this did not stop Netanyahu from declaring that Israel had been “unjustly accused of not wanting peace” because of the settlement expansion, which killed the peace talks. Netanyahu insisted that his government has consistently shown a commitment to peace “from day one” and that it was only the Palestinians who were holding up the process.
    Despite Netanyahu’s claims, many members of his right-far-right coalition government have been outspoken opponents of any peace process, not the least of which being the nation’s top diplomat, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, who has repeatedly said that peace talks will never accomplish anything and that Israel must never agree to any territorial concessions to the Palestinians. The settlement announcement was made by another opponent of the peace process, Interior Minister Eli Yishai, and appears to have been timed to do as much damage to the prospective talks as possible.

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  24. Carroll says:

    How did I miss this spy? Did everyone here know about this except me?
    I was at Col Lang’s site and saw this:
    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2010/03/more-nozette-documents.html
    ..”Also, on March 1, the court appointed an attorney from the Federal Public Defender’s office (paid by the
    taxpayers) to assist Nozette’s hired attorney, probably for purposes of issues regarding classified information and the Classified Information Procedures Act.
    The next status conference in court is to be Wednesday,
    24 March 2010, in the federal courthouse in Washington, D.C.
    Robert Willmann, Jr.
    Download Nozette_superseding_indictment.pdf
    Download Nozette_memo_indictment_changes
    Download Nozette_govt_404b
    Here’s some background from CSM.
    ‘By Ilene R. Prusher, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor / October 20, 2009
    Jerusalem
    Israeli officials declined to comment Tuesday on the arrest of US scientist Stewart David Nozette on espionage charges.
    According to an FBI criminal complaint, Mr. Nozette was passing classified information to agents he believed were working for the Mossad, Israel’s intelligence agency, but were really undercover US officers.
    He was arrested on Monday.
    The complaint does not accuse him of spying for Israel, but it did reveal that Nozette believed he had already been working for Mossad through a front organization in the past.
    According to the document, he told an undercover agent whom he believed to be from Mossad, “I thought I was working for you already. I mean, that’s what I always thought. The foreign company was just a front.”
    That company has been identified in the Israeli press as Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI), which is owned by the Israeli government and is the country’s largest aerospace and defense company.
    From November 1998 through January 2008, Nozette worked as a technical consultant for IAI, answering questions posed by the company once a month in return for payments totaling about $225,000 over a decade.
    Israeli officials said there was no reason to comment on the issue, pointing out that he hasn’t been accused of spying for Israel. Israel Radio reported Tuesday that senior government officials said in response to the developments that Israel does not gather intelligence in or spy on friendly states.
    Spying on friends?
    The issue of whether Israel conducts espionage activities in the US has continued to be a sore point in relations between Jerusalem and Washington, however, and has been seized on in particular by US critics of what has been described as the “special relationship” between the US and Israel.
    That tension is based on suspicion, not fact, says Yossi Melman, Israel’s leading journalist on espionage and intelligence issues, who works for the left-leaning Haaretz newspaper.
    “There is a very firm commitment and very strict instructions to all Israeli officials going to America which says, ‘Don’t even get close to something that would smell of collecting information,’” says Mr. Melman, author of Every Spy a Prince: The Complete History of Israel’s Intelligence Community. But the FBI doesn’t believe it, he adds. “There is a sense of deep suspicion in the department of FBI which deals with counter-espionage, especially when it comes to Israel.”
    Such suspicion is a byproduct of the Jonathan Pollard affair in the late 1980s, Melman believes. “They are looking at Israel’s record of 40 years, in which Israel was regularly spying in America – in other words, the Pollard case wasn’t an isolated one – and they won’t believe that Israeli no longer spies on American soil or against Americans,” he says.
    Mr. Pollard, a former American intelligence officer who was convicted in 1987 of spying for Israel, is serving a life sentence in a US prison. Though when he was arrested Israel denied he had spied for them, Israeli officials eventually gave Pollard citizenship and acknowledged in 1998 that he had been an Israeli asset.
    Israel maintains that it has not conducted any spying activities in the US since the Pollard affair.
    FBI traps
    The FBI “has clearly tried to trap Israelis and Israeli diplomats, to see if they are really committed to the idea of not spying,” says Melman.
    Melman says that this climate of suspicion has been fed by the surfacing of other cases. In one last year, 85-year-old former army engineer Ben-ami Kadish was convicted of spying for Israel for 20 years during the same time when Pollard was active. Both Pollard and Kadish had the same handler, Yosef Yagur. Mr. Yagur had worked for the company that became IAI.
    In 2006, Lawrence Franklin, a former defense department official, pled guilty to passing information about Iran to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the main pro-Israel lobby in the US.
    Before the FBI cornered Nozette, he had quipped that if the US government ever tried to prosecute him for a criminal offense, he would go to Israel or another foreign country and “tell them everything” he knows, according to court papers that cite an unnamed colleague.
    A former White House expert, Nozette had helped discover evidence of water on the moon, worked in various positions over the years for NASA and the US Department of Energy, and held security clearances considered top secret.
    The court papers say that as part of the sting operation, an FBI agent contacted Nozette posing as a spy for the Mossad. When the scientist and undercover agent met later in the day at a hotel, Nozette told the agent he had access to much of what the “US has done in space.” As part of the operation, he received an Israeli passport under an alias.”
    I wonder why Netanyahu didn’t mention at AIPAC that all that stuff Israel provided the US that he said saved American lives, Israel actually stole from the US to begin with. LOL

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  25. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “And I will repeat today what I have said many times before: Gilad Shalit must be released immediately and returned to his family” – Hillary “Kneepads” Clinton.
    http://www.ifamericansonlyknew.org/stats/prisoners.html#source
    1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 7,383 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.

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  26. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “The Iranian leadership denies its people rights that are universal to all human beings, including the right to speak freely, to assemble without fear, the right to the equal administration of justice, to express your views without facing retribution” – Hillary “Kneepads” Clinton
    http://palestinenote.com/cs/blogs/news/archive/2010/03/21/un-chief-calls-gaza-conditions-unacceptable.aspx
    UN chief calls Gaza conditions ‘unacceptable’
    UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon’s visit to Israel and the Palestinian territories took him to Gaza Sunday, BBC reports. The UN chief says the blockade causes “unacceptable suffering,” and says he stands with Gaza on the issue: He criticized…continues….
    http://ingaza.wordpress.com/2010/03/16/psst-voices-calling-loud/
    Today, the latest in growing demonstrations in the Israeli-imposed “buffer zone”, demonstrators again protested this lethal Israeli ban (shoot to kill threat) which renders roughly 30% of Gaza’s best agricultural land off-limits and under which in August 2009 the UN’s OCHA reported 33 Palestinian civilians (among them 11 children) had been killed and another 61 civilians (among them 13 children) injured. From January 18 2009 to September 15 2009 alone, ISM reported 7 civilians (among them 4 children) killed and 28 (among them 8 children and 2 women) injured by Israeli soldiers in the border regions….continues…

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  27. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Screw Nadine. Why in God’s name make her the topic of discussion?
    “Last June, Iranians marching silently were beaten with batons. Political prisoners were rounded up and abused. Absurd and false allegations and accusations were leveled against the United States, Israel, and the West. People everywhere were horrified by the video of a young woman shot dead in the street. The Iranian leadership denies its people rights that are universal to all human beings, including the right to speak freely, to assemble without fear, the right to the equal administration of justice, to express your views without facing retribution” – Hillary “Kneepads” Clinton
    http://palestinenote.com/cs/blogs/news/archive/2010/03/22/palestine-note-blogger-shot-during-demonstration.aspx
    Palestine Note blogger shot during demonstration
    Didi Remez , an influential Israeli blogger, was shot in the leg by an rubber bullet at a demonstration Friday, Malarky News reports. Remez was protesting along side the International Solidarity Movement in Nabi Saleh. ISM demonstrator Emily Stark was…
    http://palestinenote.com/cs/blogs/news/archive/2010/03/22/khatib-idf-shot-teens-under-arrest.aspx
    Khatib: IDF shot teens under arrest
    In response to 4 Palestinians youths killed in a mere 24 hours in Nablus Sunday, senior Palestinian government spokesman Ghassan Khatib has called for an independent investigation into the deaths of cousins Mohammad Qawariq and Saleh Qawariq, both 19…continues…

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  28. Carroll says:

    I just heard Netanyahu speech to AIPAC on c-span.
    I must say it was truly bizarre. Just paraphrasing a few things he said….
    Everyone picks on Israel. Israel has always been held to impossible standards, higher then the world holds other countries to. Jews are the ‘light’ onto the world. Israel has done everything for Palestine, economic development and so forth and they just want to destroy Israel.
    Anti semitism is everywhere and criticizing Israel is most often done by anti semites. ‘All Europeans” were anti semites and now the Arabs are too becuase they don’t want to give any land for a Jewish homeland.
    Lot of Never Again shouting and Iran is Hitler and must be attacked. If the enemies of Israel (and America) aren’t stopped now they will kill Jews all over the world.
    That Israel has ‘taught’ the US everything the US knows about warfare and saved American lives.
    And that building in Jerusalem has nothing to do with peace because “every one” knows that Jerusalem will belong to Israel in the end anyway.
    And Sen Schumer speech was bizarro too. Mostly the same as Netanyahu’s except he talked about what his name meant in Hebrew, ‘Guardian’, and how it got changed at Ellis Island and how he devotes his life and work in congress to protecting Israel.
    Neither said a word about Obama or the insult or about ending the settlements….it’s all Abbas’s and Palestine’s and the Arabs fault.
    Totally bizarre.

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  29. Paul Norheim says:

    “Guess I’ll have to join the group who has chosen to ignore you
    because of the utter uselessness of crap like that comment.”
    Welcome to the club, David!
    Think of it this way: Nadine ALWAYS responds to commenters
    who argue with her. If an average of ten commenters per day
    talk to her, and she writes a reply to them, this means that she’ll
    produce 3650 comments a year IN ADDITION to the crap she’ll
    write anyway.
    And that’s precisely what is happening right now. Within a
    decade she’ll produce thirty six thousand five hundred
    additional propaganda posts at TWN due to good, rational
    people feeling an urge to argue with her. That’s insane, and
    TWN does not deserve it. So please do the Washington Note and
    the broader community a favor and ignore Nadine.

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  30. David says:

    “Hey, POS, since you hate America” First, I guess you meant POA. Second that is a pathetically idiotic comment, reminiscent of the Viet Nam War era, when those of us who loved America enought to stick our necks out and speak up, had to listen to that sort of crap. What in hell makes you think POA would even bother to read, analyze, and comment the way he does if he hated America. Timothy McVeigh hated America, as did the guy who flew the plane into the IRS building. Hatred begets violence. POA has been guilty of zero violence, best I can tell. Guess I’ll have to join the group who has chosen to ignore you because of the utter uselessness of crap like that comment.
    Meanwhile, the picture from the window in Libya made me think back to Reagan’s attacking Libya on whatever the pretext of the day was and how much I hated US military aggression. Theme song should have been “We will, we will bomb you…” Actually, theme should have been “We will teach you to nationalize your oil and raise the per capita of Libyans from abysmal to $6K/per year without permission.” I was so infuriated that the only way I could calm down was to spend the afternoon on a quiet Florida lake cast fishing. A still day, the water calm, and the repetitive casting and the smell of warm Florida lake water all brought back fond memories from my childhood, the only way I could calm myself. What a difference for Steve to be able to take that peaceful picture.

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  31. Don Bacon says:

    nadine,
    Your comment (surprise!) makes no sense.
    Are you suggesting that General Eisenhower made foreign policy statements while in uniform?
    That when in the Army he took part in presidential campaigns, as Pretaeus has done?

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  32. nadine says:

    “Medea Benjamin of Code Pink tells TPMmuckraker that the left-wing activist group orchestrated the bogus AIPAC press release calling for a settlement freeze that got picked up by several major news organizations today.”
    So much for all those layers of editors at major news organizations. Seems to me that MSM was punked – again! – not AIPAC.
    With any luck, MSM will have no credibility with 70% of the public by next election. And they will have richly deserved it.

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  33. nadine says:

    “The fawning attention given to army generals was bound to result in a political general moving into foreign policy in a way that politicians seem incapable of.
    It never would have happened in the ‘good old days,’ under Harry Truman: “It’s the fellows who go to West Point and are trained to think they’re gods in uniform that I plan to take apart”. (Don Bacon)
    Ever heard the name “Eisenhower”?
    Care to walk that dumb statement back?

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  34. nadine says:

    John Waring, Centcom thinks that Iran is actively giving a “facilitation hub” (translation refuge and safe houses) to Al Qaeda inside Iran. Petraeus just said so. Why don’t you notice that part?
    Sometime you should think about where it comes from, this impulse to declare Iran a Nice Guy.

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  35. nadine says:

    Hey, Don Bacon, Iran has been supplying the Iraqi insurgents with shaped charges for years. Centcom says so. The US military has found plenty of the charges, labeled in Farsi. (Not to mention capturing some Revolutionary Guards trainers). Just one source, you can google plenty more, if you care to discuss facts instead of denials of facts.
    http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/73938.pdf

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  36. Don Bacon says:

    The fawning attention given to army generals was bound to result in a political general moving into foreign policy in a way that politicians seem incapable of.
    It never would have happened in the ‘good old days,’ under Harry Truman: “It’s the fellows who go to West Point and are trained to think they’re gods in uniform that I plan to take apart”.

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  37. John Waring says:

    Yes, we have heard SecState, but what does CentCom think? Times they are a-changing.
    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2010/03/17/bacevich_on_petraeus_israel/index.html
    Let a thousand flowers bloom. Indeed.

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  38. Carroll says:

    Code Pink ..You’ve been ‘punked’ AIPAC..lol
    Medea Benjamin of Code Pink tells TPMmuckraker that the left-wing activist group orchestrated the bogus AIPAC press release calling for a settlement freeze that got picked up by several major news organizations today.
    Benjamin says she and a colleague stood outside the AIPAC conference hall today dressed in suits and handed out copies of the statement to confused attendees.
    “Some of the staff snatched them out of our hands, and said, ‘It’s not true, AIPAC is not calling for a settlement freeze,’” she says. “Then we heard attendees saying, ‘Wait, is it true? Maybe AIPAC has changed its position to get closer to the Obama Administration.’”
    AIPAC has not responded to a request for comment.
    Benjamin declined to say how the group made the press release, which got picked up on NPR, C-SPAN, and Al Jazeera, appear to come from an email address with AIPAC’s domain name.
    Following the recent diplomatic flap between the U.S. and Israel over an announcement of new settlement construction in East Jerusalem, AIPAC released a statement calling the Obama Administration’s condemnations “a matter of serious concern.” That statement, Benjamin says, inspired Code Pink to come up with the hoax press release.
    “When we saw that Netanyahu was not making any concessions, we thought that it would be logical for AIPAC to take the position of its own government in the United States, and not the position of the Israeli government,” she says. “Freezing the settlements has now become a mainstream opinion — to not have AIPAC even recognize that things have changed” is troubling.
    (h/t Mondoweiss)

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  39. Don Bacon says:

    Clinton: “Under President Obama’s leadership, we have reinvigorated defense consultations, redoubled our efforts to ensure Israel’s qualitative military edge, and provided nearly $3 billion in annual military assistance. In fact, as Rosy told you – or maybe it was Howard – that assistance increased in 2010 and we have requested another increase for 2011.” (Applause)
    As an uninformed taxpayer I didn’t know who these important people were that were instrumental in securing billions of US taxpayer dollars. I had to look it up.
    “Rosy” would be AIPAC President Lee (Rosy) Rosenberg, and “Howard” is AIPAC’s executive director Howard Kohr.
    Clinton: “As a senator from New York, I was proud to be a strong voice for Israel in the Congress and around the world. And I am proud that I can continue to be that strong voice as Secretary of State.”
    I guess that puts the kybosh on any thought that the US State Department, where the motto is “Diplomacy in Action”, can exercise any diplomacy or mediation on I/P.
    Then comes a message to Hamas, with pre-conditions for negotiations that “must” be done, but of course no such preconditions for Israel, which is where Clinton proves again beyond doubt that she is a strong voice for Israel.
    Forget negotiations. There’s no profit in peace.

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  40. FaceOnMars says:

    Steve,
    Glad to hear Tripoli is interesting & has also passed the litmus tests you’ve mentioned.
    While I know you haven’t quite put all your eggs in one basket (last I’ve paid any attention), consider your tests in relation to the issue of net neutrality.
    What if in 5 year a European visitor to Savannah is unable to view their favorite video site (which they normally access very quickly in Europe) due to bandwidth constraints.
    This is all aside from what I believe to be the most freightening aspect of what will invariably result in political control of information via a smaller set of accessible “news outlets”. Ask yourself if thewashingtonnote.com would pass a litmus test in 10 years if net neutrality goes by the wayside?

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  41. Carroll says:

    Hillary’s speech to AIPAC.
    Some highlights below.
    This speech reminds me of the column James Wolcutt did in Vanity Fair on a prior Hillary speech to AIPAC in which he said..quote, “Hillary did everything but squat and s*** a turd for AIPAC”.
    LOL
    http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2010/03/138722.htm
    You recognize that your future and the future of our country are bound up with the future of Israel. (Applause.)
    The United States has long recognized that a strong and secure Israel is vital to our own strategic interests. (Applause.) And we know that the forces that threaten Israel also threaten the United States of America. (Applause.)
    Under President Obama’s leadership, we have reinvigorated defense consultations, redoubled our efforts to ensure Israel’s qualitative military edge, and provided nearly $3 billion in annual military assistance. (Applause.) In fact, as Rosy told you – or maybe it was Howard – that assistance increased in 2010 and we have requested another increase for 2011. (Applause
    As a senator from New York, I was proud to be a strong voice for Israel in the Congress and around the world. And I am proud that I can continue to be that strong voice as Secretary of State.
    And for Israel, there is no greater strategic threat than the prospect of a nuclear-armed Iran. (Applause.) Elements in Iran’s government have become a menace, both to their own people and in the region. Iran’s president foments anti-Semitism, denies the Holocaust, threatens to destroy Israel, even denies that 9/11 was an attack. The Iranian leadership funds and arms terrorists who have murdered Americans, Israelis, and other innocent people alike. And it has waged a campaign of intimidation and persecution against the Iranian people.
    Our message to Hamas is clear: Renounce violence, recognize Israel, and abide by previous signed agreements. (Applause.) That is the only path to participation in negotiations. They do not earn a place at any table absent those changes. (Applause.) And I will repeat today what I have said many times before: Gilad Shalit must be released immediately and returned to his family. (Applause.)
    And of this they can be absolutely sure: the United States and the American people will stand with you. We will share the risks and we will shoulder the burdens, as we face the future together.

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  42. Don Bacon says:

    nadine: “Iranian explosives have killed hundreds or thousands of Americans”
    Now there’s a patently wrong, wild, extremist, false statement that has no proof whatsoever. Next, nadine will be claiming that Iran has nuclear weapons and moon exploration programs.

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  43. Pahlavan says:

    WHY DOESN”T THIS AIPAC QUEEN HILLARY CLINTON GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE ISRAELI GESTAPO SHOOTING AMERICAN CITIZENS THAT ARE ENGAGED IN PEACEFUL PROTEST AGAINST ILLEGAL ISRAELI ACTIVITIES?
    That’s because she has political aspirations for “The Office”, thus her routine demoniziation of Iran will sit better with the high society within AIPAC’s subculture.

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  44. nadine says:

    “We KNOW who shot Ellen Stark”
    Hey, POS, since you hate America only slightly less than you hate Israel, can we skip the crocodile tears for dead Americans? Iranian explosives have killed hundreds or thousands of Americans, and you cheer the mullahs on at every step.

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  45. Don Bacon says:

    Mr. CLEMONS: “The whole notion that there’s no space or no light between the U.S. and Israeli positions is a ridiculous formulation because we’re both sovereign governments with interests that often converge and some interests that diverge, and we’re going to have to occasionally wrestle over those.”
    Ah — those differing interests, those would be only the wrong timing of the announcement of some new apartment buildings in Jerusalem?
    There is also the ongoing I/P conflict, where there apparently is no light.
    Clinton, in her speech to AIPAC, “”Our message to Hamas is clear: Renounce violence, recognize Israel, and abide by previous signed agreements. And I will repeat today what I have said many times before: Gilad Shalit must be released immediately and reunited with his family.”
    Now that’s not being an impartial broker in an uneven conflict, when one considers the damage done and the kidnapping by both sides. But then Clinton never addresses Arab groups, does she.
    Incidentally, Clinton’s words varied somewhat from General Petraeus’s recent statement: “The [Israeli-Arab] conflict foments anti-American sentiment, due to a perception of U.S. favoritism for Israel. Arab anger over the Palestinian question limits the strength and depth of U.S. partnerships with governments and peoples ? and weakens the legitimacy of moderate regimes in the Arab world. Meanwhile, al-Qaida and other militant groups exploit that anger to mobilize support. The conflict also gives Iran influence in the Arab world through its clients, Lebanese Hizballah and Hamas.”
    Clinton never mentioned “a perception of U.S. favoritism for Israel” perhaps because the “perception” part is farcical.
    And then there is Iran. No light there either.
    Clinton: “”Elements in Iran’s government have become a menace, both to their own people and in the region. Iran’s President foments anti-Semitism, and threatens to destroy Israel.”[all incorrect]
    “In addition to threatening Israel, a nuclear-armed Iran would embolden its terrorist clientele and would spark an arms race that could destabilize the region. This is unacceptable. Unacceptable to the United States. Unacceptable to Israel. And unacceptable to the region and the international community.” [Clinton forget to mention that Iran has no nuclear arms program, according to the CIA]
    Space and light, where art thou?

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  46. PissedOffAmerican says:

    http://palestinenote.com/cs/blogs/blogs/archive/2010/03/21/who-is-killing-whom-in-israel-palestine.aspx
    “Aside from the walls and laws that imprison the Palestinians already, Israeli leaders, academics and military experts, and backed by Zionist supporters, have spoken of transfer, curbing Palestinian births and putting them on a “diet”. The most chilling proposal was proposed by a former chief rabbi in May 2007 when he advocated carpet bombing Gaza. His son who is also a chief rabbi elaborated: “If they don’t stop after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand, and if they do not stop after 1,000 then we must kill 10,000. If they still don’t stop we must kill 100,000, even a 1,000,000. Whatever it takes to make them stop.”
    “Such remarks and actions by a state drunk on its own ill-gotten power are plainly genocidal and no peace talks are going to stop Israel in its tracks. There is, however, one sure remedy -the enforcement of international law by whatever legal means necessary, even if that requires UN-backed sanctions or the cutting of billions of US aid to Israel to force Israel to comply. Anything less will soon answer the question of who is killing whom for those too blind to see the truth already being played out in full view of the whole world”

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  47. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Think about it. This Israeli SS Stormtrooper was standing a little over twelve feet from Ellen Stark when he shot her. She was not threatening him. She was not doing anything illegal.
    We KNOW who shot Ellen Stark. We KNOW who shot Tristan Anderson. We KNOW who crushed Rachel Corrie.
    But do we know who shot Neda? No.
    Yet this coward, this irresponsible and derelict Secretary Of State Hillary Clinton talks as if she can assign blame for Neda’s death with certainty, while ignoring the KNOWN criminals engaged in purposely targeting American citizens engaged in peaceful protest against Israeli actions that are recognized internationally as CRIMINAL.

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  48. downtown says:

    Mr. Satloff is absolutely correct! Let the Israelis determine their own levels of commitment to peace and engagement in foreign relations – AFTER we (United States) unilaterally end this parasitic relationship.

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  49. PissedOffAmerican says:

    BTW, ELLEN STARK IS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN.
    WHY DOESN”T THIS AIPAC QUEEN HILLARY CLINTON GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE ISRAELI GESTAPO SHOOTING AMERICAN CITIZENS THAT ARE ENGAGED IN PEACEFUL PROTEST AGAINST ILLEGAL ISRAELI ACTIVITIES?
    SHE CARES MORE ABOUT IRANIAN PROTESTORS THAN SHE DOES ABOUT HER OWN PEOPLE, WHO SHE HAS TAKEN AN OATH TO PROTECT? IS SHE JUST ANOTHER WHORE IN ISRAEL’S HAREM?

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  50. PissedOffAmerican says:

    Arrests and Shootings in Israel Reach Epic Levels
    Tim King Salem-News.com
    ISM co-founder Huwaida Arraf, was arrested while negotiating with the Israelis, to allow a woman they had been shot to get to the hospital.
    ISM co-founder Huwaida Arraf
    (AN NABI SALEH / SALEM) – Israel’s daily efforts to violently quell the call for peace among Palestinian people and their growing list of supporters, is reaching epic levels. Israel according to multiple reports, is increasingly its abuse of women in an open fashion. This is the story of a young woman named Huwaida Arraf?.
    We reported on 20 March that a demonstration in An Nabi Saleh Friday saw a sharp spike in violence and collective punishment from the Israeli military. In the course of an unarmed peaceful demonstration, 25 people were injured by Israeli police and the Israeli Defense Forces, who are said to have intentionally shattered the windows of cars and homes, while arresting three.
    A volunteer for the humanitarian aid group International Solidarity Movement (ISM), Ellen Stark, was shot by Israeli forces at nearly point blank range with a rubber bullet as she stood with medics. The bullet shattered a bone in Ellen’s arm and became lodged inside of her.
    Co-Founder of ISM Huwaida Arraf, was arrested while negotiating with the Israelis, to allow Ellen through the military line to get to the hospital.
    The ongoing debate centers around the group’s efforts to preserve Palestinian land, which is disappearing by the day under Israeli aggression.
    According to Ellen Stark, “we were standing on Palestinian land, in support of the village who’s land has been confiscated but we weren’t even demonstrating yet.”
    Not only were twenty five people shot, and medical services initially denied; others were taken into custody under what turn out to be illegal conditions, according to ISM counsel.
    The three who were arrested were 33-year old Huwaida Arraf, along with 23-year old Omar, and 22-year old Amjad. Huwaida was released last night at around 6:45 p.m. from Neve Tirtze prison in Ramle.
    She said, “Save for minor cuts and bruises, I am OK.”
    Huwaida was arrested Friday at around noon as she tried to get the Israeli soldiers to stop shooting at people in Nabi Saleh, a small village of about 400 people. This is in the wake of ISM volunteer Ellen Stark being shot in the arm.
    “We were in Nabi Saleh for a weekly demonstration by the villagers against the theft of their land. Simultaneous demonstrations were taking place in Jerusalem and in a number of villages throughout the West Bank. In Nabi Saleh, the demonstration took the form of people walking down a hill towards the confiscated land.”
    She says they yelled repeatedly, “Stop shooting…a woman has been injured and needs medical attention”.
    Huwaida made her way back up the hill to the road the soldiers stood on, yelling at them the whole time.
    According to multiple reports, these Israeli soldiers were actually shooting down at the women, some already injured, from up high, fully aware that they were climbing rugged terrain, which created terrible difficulty they said, especially while trying to avoid a barrage of tear gas and bullets.
    Huwaida said that when she and other members of the International Solidarity Movement reached the road the soldiers turned their guns on her, but she just kept talking and walking towards them.
    “We have a woman that has been shot; she needs help. Stop shooting. There is no reason to be shooting at people like this. You are in THEIR village.”
    For this offense, Huwaida was handcuffed and thrown in a jeep. She would later accused of: (1) attacking a police officer; (2) cursing at the military and police; (3) obstructing the operations of the military; and (4) being in a closed military zone.
    Most people arrested by Israeli police, especially Israeli citizens and foreigners, are taken to an Israeli police station; that is what the actual law calls for. But Israel maintains separate laws and policies for the legal treatment of people who are Jewish, and those who are non-Jewish.
    Huwaida was taken to the illegal settlement of Halamish where she was held for nearly eight hours outside in the cold. He says two other Palestinians from Nabi Saleh, Omar and Amjad were also arrested and brought there.
    “The soldiers and border police were particularly abusive to Omar and Amjad, pushing them around, forcing them to stand for hours, handcuffed and blindfolded and every few minutes yelling at them to lift their heads, so they couldn’t rest or fall asleep. When I protested this abuse I was told to ‘shut the f*** up’” and if I didn’t, I would get the same treatment. I responded, ‘I don’t really care, but it’s sad that you feel you have to treat people so inhumanely.’ ‘Shut the f*** up!’
    continues…….
    http://www.salem-news.com/articles/march212010/huwaida-arraf.php

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  51. PissedOffAmerican says:

    If you listened to Hillary’s “you can screw me” speech at the convention of bloodsuckers and leeches, you will know that she made quite an issue of IRAN’S “treatment” of peaceful protestors…..
    http://palestinenote.com/cs/blogs/news/archive/2010/03/22/international-protester-shot-by-idf.aspx
    International protester shot by IDF
    At a demonstration in An-Nabi Saleh, West Bank Friday, International Solidarity Movement protester Ellen Stark was shot with a rubber bullet at point blank range (4 meters) by an Israeli soldier, Salem-News reports.
    Rubber bullets are meant to be riot-dispersal tools, expressly non-fatal and not meant to penetrate skin, but when shot at point blank range they act very much as real bullets. An X-ray shows the bullet lodged in Stark’s arm. The demonstration had not yet begun, and ISM reports Stark was unarmed and not engaged when she was shot. Says Stark: “We were standing on Palestinian land, in support of the village who’s land has been confiscated, but we weren’t even demonstrating yet.”
    Stark had surgery to remove the bullet, and her wrist is broken as a result of the shooting. According to ISM, the soldiers took position on a hilltop more than a hour before the demonstration was due to begin. Stark was not the only victim, they report:
    Only ten minutes into the demonstration, the army began firing tear gas and rubber bullets at a small group of international, Israeli, and Palestinian activists only four meters away, injuring International Solidarity Movement volunteer, Ellen Stark. Omar Saleh Tamimi, Amjad Abed Alkhafeez Tamimi and International Solidarity Movement co-founder Huwaida Arraf were arrested as they asked Israeli military personnel to stop firing tear gas canisters and rubber bullets at Stark as she was helped to safety.
    Israeli forces then entered the center of the village where they continued firing tear gas, sound grenades, and rubber bullets for several hours. Over twenty five were injured, including an 84-year old woman who suffered from tear gas inhalation after tear gas canisters were fired into her house, and three others who were shot with rubber bullets, including an Israeli activist; four remain hospitalized.
    http://www.salem-news.com/articles/march202010/ism-israel.php

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  52. nadine says:

    Hey, Steve, you’re supposed to be the analyst, why don’t you make an actual prediction about what is going to happen? The kind that can actually be checked against events. Or would that be too much of a career limiting move?
    Here’s my prediction: Daylight between the US and Israel always produces the same result: the Palestinians revert to maximalist demands. So there will be no talks this year, but lots of riots.

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  53. PissedOffAmerican says:

    “Clemons says it’s time for well-meaning supporters of the U.S.-Israel relationship to encourage more responsible behavior from this Israeli government, particularly on the issue of expanding Jewish settlements”
    So, Hillary speaks.
    Iran is the boogie man and she cares deeply about Iranian protesters being oppressed and deprived a voice, she mentions Neda, but omits mention of Israel’s treatment of protesters. Of course, Tristan Anderson recieves no mention. Neda, but not Tristan.
    She feeds us a bunch of unmittigated shit about Israel’s international altruism, not mentioning the conditions in the gulag known as Gaza. And once again, she calls the Goldstone report “deeply flawed”.
    Yes, her “you can screw me” speech had a few criticisms of Israel, but the implied “blame” and justifications for Israel’s crimes and abuses was, throughout her speech, placed squarely in Hamas’ lap.
    AIPAC is calling for a freeze on building in East Jerusalem. Does this mean they will speak up when such a freeze is exposed to be a sham, a lie, by groups such as Peace Now? Does this mean they will hold Israel to its word, or simply ignore Israel’s lies like their history tells us they will do?
    Not impressed. She wore kneepads to the event, and they are deeply scuffed.

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